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eXec wrote: @ddni Quote: ddni wrote: @eXec doh yeah! I really hope Barry doesn't spot that my Bill McEwen credit card hasn't been activated yet! I desperately need this stock to help cure world poverty before the 4th July.... according to my knowledge of law. even a attempt of using other real person`s identity in a way of missusage for eventual personal use or aspersion is forbidden by law. hopefuly the Ainc guy will not see it and if does will get it as a joke, otherwise if he got on a wrong foot that morning you can get yourself in a quite messy trouble because of a unstopable desire in beeing the major anti C=USA joke master here on aw. C=USA can provide your personal data where is the data given from, other is the thing of for that intended locating institutions. is it worth of it?

ohh, come on! what a drama ... he didn't commited nor completed the "order"!!! ... at least for now

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ohh, come on! what a drama ... he didn't commited nor completed the "order"!!! ... at least for now

its the same thing as giving the internal information's about the server of this or any
other portal for free ddos attacks... same thing.

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@eXec

Eh... How exactly?

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eXec wrote: @ddni [quote] according to my knowledge of law. beeing the major anti C=USA joke master here on aw. C=USA can provide your personal data where is the data given from, other is the thing of for that intended locating institutions.

Naaaa......this ain't working.

All your last posts since a few pages ago just don't have your usual impact.
Kinda like just words being picked out of the air, if you know what I mean (?).

Go with your strengths. Stay with your crusade against specific integrated
circuits. That really has a great deal more impact, and I'm sure you are
held in very high regard by all, even those that disagree, when doing so.

So, what do you say?....... Word picker? (pah!)............Or Hero? (Ta-Daaaa!).

@thread

since barry sent his response to the discovery of photos of his 'chinese factory' turning out to be from a two-year-old magazine spread on the manufacturing center fujitsu has in germany, he mentioned something interesting about product availability, something folks have been asking ever since the news of massive sales back in april with the round of press done associated with the C64x launch:

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Quote: Regardless of your personal beliefs and concerns, this simple fact remains: We took an idea and a dream, and in little over nine months time, created more publicity and brand awareness than has been achieved by all others combined over the last 15 years. We are now ready to ship our entire product line, and in a few more weeks will be presenting our new Commodore OS. glad to hear it. i assume your entire line will be shipping imminently, then? when can the community expect the press release which includes the specifications to your amiga-branded PCs? will you be delaying general availability until your linux distribution is ready?

although we haven't heard anything further on this from the principals, our good friend dammy clarified further barry's statement on the topic of availability at commodore-amiga.org:

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Quote: Thank you for the replies. Another question, when in your best guess will the C64x and others be available through retailers? I'm just curious. Thank you again. I would guess 30 or so days after the last of the pre-order's have had their systems shipped to them. I know they are hoping to being shipping the pre-orders in the next 48 hours.

additionally it appears barry's statement regarding shipping their 'entire product line' only referred to the non-amiga branded PCs. quoting dammy yet again:

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I think Commodore Amigas will be out later this year and most likely Desktops will be the first ones sold. Last I heard, they had not settled on the A500x's case yet. COS 1.x Beta will be out to Beta Testers (NDA required) in the next three or so weeks.

curiously none of this information is being shared either here or over at amiga.org, where dammy normally posts volumes on every ounce of news he receives from CUSA. perhaps over the most recent photos debacle a time-out was needed? in any case thought the thread might be interested in the clarifications on availability provided elsewhere.

you may resume arguing about mock orders and DDOS attacks. or something like that.

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Mechanic wrote: @eXec Quote: eXec wrote: @ddni [quote] according to my knowledge of law. beeing the major anti C=USA joke master here on aw. C=USA can provide your personal data where is the data given from, other is the thing of for that intended locating institutions. Naaaa......this ain't working. All your last posts since a few pages ago just don't have your usual impact. Kinda like just words being picked out of the air, if you know what I mean (?). Go with your strengths. Stay with your crusade against specific integrated circuits. That really has a great deal more impact, and I'm sure you are held in very high regard by all, even those that disagree, when doing so. So, what do you say?....... Word picker? (pah!)............Or Hero? (Ta-Daaaa!).

What was that all about now?

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COS 1.x Beta will be out to Beta Testers (NDA required) in the next three or so weeks.

I thought that Ubuntu already has at least thousands of betatesters/testers, but of course additional support is welcome NDA

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@eliyahu

As far as why CUSA fans post here, I think a few of them want to be seen as the new beginning of the old Commodore computer company which is not going to be well received in a place like this. What they are doing would be acceptable if they would just handle themselves like a small retro PC company (which is what they are).

Most of us seem to respect them making the C64 case and putting a PC inside it. The problem comes in presenting themselves as a large company with tens of millions of dollars ready to take on silicon valley. That kind of talk gets a well deserved chuckle from people that know better.

In this day and age, it's more important to present yourself (as a company) to be well organized rather that simply "large" as far as distribution goes. System 76 is a prime example of a company that simply re-brands an existing PC for the Linux community and does it well. They are respected not because they sell a lot of computers, but because they provide excellent customer service along with Ubuntu specific drivers for the hardware that they offer.

The mistakes CUSA has made so far are stupid but forgivable (imo). It's what they "do" that's going to really matter. Unforgivable would be a product that they don't stand behind. What will save them will be a solid product that lasts and an OS with all the proper support. It doesn't have to be Apple support but good support nonetheless.

Of course, all of this means nothing here at AmigaWorld because this is not a Linux based community, so they really need to stop posting here. They will save themselves a lot of headaches. I would recommend to them, that they hook up with the Ubuntu community instead. Start by talking to someone at OMGUbuntu! and go from there. But never represent themselves as something they are not. That will destroy their reputation in ANY community.

Wow.. I think that's the longest post I have ever made here.

i love this thread so much laugh.

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an OS with all the proper support. It doesn't have to be Apple support but good support nonetheless

Apple "support" hehe

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as the new beginning of the old Commodore computer company

sadly some people here consider Barry an incarnation of Jay Miner

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Quote: the only OS4 hardware (AmigaOne) production being stopped, Amiga Inc playing silly buggers about licensing new hardware & then finally suing Hyperion, etc, etc. As far as I know, this happened AFTER the OS4 release, so it doesn't affect this discussion.

No, you are almost certainly wrong:

July 2004 - KMOS is announced as aquiring Amiga Inc.
October 2004 - AmigaOS 4.0 (Developer Pre-release Update) was released.
March 2005 - KMOS becomes Amiga Inc.
sometime 2005 - Eyetech stops producing the last of the AmigaOnes.
December 2006 - AmigaOS 4.0 (The Final Update) was released.
2007 - Amiga Inc sues Hyperion.

Hyperion signed their contract with the Amino-version of Amiga Inc. KMOS then did lots of asset shuffling & changing who ran things, before renaming themselves Amiga Inc. It seems highly likely that Hyperion's relations with the new "Amiga Inc" (KMOS) quickly deteriorated. This is backed-up by the fact that no new hardware licenses were announced for OS4 in 2005 or 2006, during which time OS4 was under development but lacked machines to sell it on. This MUST have made a major impact on Hyperion income flow, and that was no doubt intentional on the part of the new Amiga Inc (KMOS).

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And yes, I know the deal was bad for Hyperion. In which case you shouldn't sign it. However, they did.

I might have agreed with you on this point... except that they signed it with a different Amiga Inc (Amino) than the one that ended-up sueing them (KMOS).


I also disagree on the other points you made, in relation to what I was trying to show, but your views are so far from mine that I don't see any point in arguing them. Suffice to say, I don't believe there is any comparison between Hyperion in 2005 (with a long history of producing stuff) with CUSA in 2011 (with essentially no history of producing anything).

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Because few people here trashed all who said that C=USA has some potentials into that "Group" and since then been labeling them as trolls.

You get labelled as trolls for being rude, abusive, not able to have rational discussions, posting spam, being repetitive, posting delusions, etc. You don't get it for saying you like CUSA or who-ever.

If you think you are being labelled as a troll, you might like to look at your actions & your posting style (which is highly emotional & seems rather paranoid from my point of view).

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Not everyone, but a good number of the most vile comments come from X1000 supporters.

You mean vile comments like this? Seriously, although I haven't been following CUSA recently, I doubt anyone here has said anything like THAT. Please point out some (recently made, if possible), or many if you can.

Both you & eXec are making wild claims that you & CUSA are being persecuted by OS4/X1000 fans, but I don't see any evidence of this. All I *do* see is some people pointing out valid problems with CUSA, and then their fans getting upset & making wild accusations at anyone nearby.


But it no-doubt does not help that since the beginning a few CUSA fans (e.g. Wolf to the Moon) have been stirring things, by saying stuff like the OS4/X1000 are dead-end & won't sell, and PCs with Amiga stickers will destroy them. If you want to know who to point the finger at for making nasty unsubstantiated comments, then take a good look at your associates.

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HEY!

Put that ignore stuff back in.

I'm all for being Ignorant.

@ChrisH

I will give all from myself to give you the right eviences just to point
how manic PPC users are towards "us"...

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boy this is getting excited!!!

I don't wanna miss the end...

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Please point out some (recently made, if possible), or many if you can.

Most of the s**t-storm was on Amiga.org, which I have not been on in months. If I get time tonight, I will look through some of the old threads.

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If you want to know who to point the finger at for making nasty unsubstantiated comments, then take a good look at your associates

My associates? Posting to a message board suddenly groups joins me at the hip with other people?

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My associates? Posting to a message board suddenly groups joins me at the hip with other people?

Not to me.
I followed those months on a.org pretty closely. You resigned as moderator when you sensed people were making some connection between yourself and others.
You said you wanted to be open minded, seen as such, and I never doubted that.

Regardless of how this all turns out, Cheers.

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nimrod7 wrote: Quote: as the new beginning of the old Commodore computer company sadly some people here consider Barry an incarnation of Jay Miner

Really ? It seems as if Barry is more a reincarnation of Jack Tramiel , and Tramiel was a clever salesman but not a hardware developer. AFAIK Jay Miner was much more an Atari/Amiga guy most of his work was not done at Commodore.

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The doctored or faked photos seemed to be quite common on Amiga related companies we have seen them on A-Eon before, some Natami screen shots where not made on a Natami, and now again something from CUSA. If they had not presented dubious pictures before I would believe it might be not their fault.
Instead of showing pictures of fabrication plants in China or somewhere else, they should just start to sell their product. They can't count for me as a customer because I was never a friend of the keyboard design.

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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/24276722169637118189118.jpg/

does this look like a photoshoped or fake image?

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nstead of showing pictures of fabrication plants in China or somewhere else, they should just start to sell their product.

Apple had to deal with the China issues publically at WWDC 2011.
It's not something anyone can ignore really.

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