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Oh well. Perhaps this would have had more success.

http://home.planet.nl/~spijk336/imagefx2/DSCF0404-tb.html

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A little more history.

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I actually spoke to Deron by email last night and was in the process of lending him my Rev 0.0 Micro board ................. but if someone can lend him a "C" board that would be better.

From Douglas Moir - Gone - Last login - 6-Feb-2006

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He's always replied to my email

From Dave M. - Gone - Last login - 4-Jan-2007

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I have spoken to Ben at Hyperion in the past, but nothing has materialized. As I understand it, they are both in effect just developers as I understand it. It would be up to Amiga Inc or now KMOS? to support developers in this way. Either way, when they complete OS4 I will purchase my own system. As I have said before, with all the past false starts I am in no hurry to purchase the equipment. Look, they have already created new hardware since the initial announcements oh so long ago!

From Deron himself

source

Since Deron mentions he wanted to buy his own system, and the only way to develop otherwise seemed to be through a "loaner", then I'm confused...
Did the MicroA1 loaner from Samurai_Crow make it to Deron or not?

source

@Tedd

You could also try contacting @djnick. since he worked on the website and claims to be beta testing.

source

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I have sent a email to Deron and asked him to comment this and clarify the situation (email with links to this thread). We will see...

@number6

Okay I found out for you. Turns out Deron refused to borrow the MicroA1 machine. He insisted on doing the Mac version of Aladdin 4D 6.0 first even though Bill wanted the Amiga OS 4 version done first and the code was already Amiga native code. He would only do Amiga/MorphOS versions after the Mac version was done. Deron was very insistant on doing the Mac version before any other versions. Much later said he had his own OS 4 machine and promised in progress screen shots of the OS 4 version of Aladdin 4D 6.0. If he ever really made this version is a mystery.

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Where this goes now is up to you. But it's plain to see where the problem started...the place all problems started.

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It would be up to Amiga Inc or now KMOS?

I think Deron was confused with what Bill McEwen said vs what he never did.
Even Hyperion core devs had to pay for their own h/w.
Amiga Inc. contributed nothing in any remote sense of the word, nor did Eyetech contribute h/w.

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We even paid for all the development machines we are using.

source(there are many more)

Note: Amiga Inc. never even saw the product they "approved". They were managers...not. The first two XEs were sent to KMOS for the Garry Hare interview, so it would appear they knew what they were talking about.

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@number6

I'm not sure about those situations but this situation was never about available hardware, you understand that right? An OS4 machine was always available for Deron he just chose to work on the Mac version first then chose to dissapear with the money without completing the work. That is the problem. All I don't know is if he planned to do this to my friend from the beginning or later on. Since he never provided source or changelogs I'm guessing it was from the beginning.

Maybe he was not smart enough to work on that type of software but thought the free money was nice? We will never know I bet.

He must feel pretty safe living in the middle of nowhere that he can do this to people. I hear he has been doing the same thing to Amiga Pagestream customers too. Taking money but never giving them a working piece of software. Sounds like a pattern of behavior is being discovered by all.

Very sad

Only he could make things right but I kind of doubt it.

- Tedd

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I understand your standpoint and I'm not trying to make excuses for Deron, nor do I condone how he has handled it.
I'm just saying I know where this emotional downhill slide started. It's clear he expected one of the AmigaOne partners or Amiga Inc. to somehow help him out, when this partnership fiasco started.
It's also clear from what I posted and what we all know, that they never did that. It's also clear they have blamed each other for their own woes and continue to do so.

I hope you can reach him to get his side of the story. Truly I do.

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from pyromania on amiga.org:

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I want to make something clear here. I don't like this thread one bit. I don't really want to remove it though because that might make it look like I was somehow at fault. I paid Deron in full to compete a final version of Aladdin 4D 6.0. He never did it and never explained why. I have asked him many times, I just get ignored. He also never provided source or setup a CVS so I could see what was being done. That's not fair to Aladdin 4D customers or me. I have been very generious to Deron over the years and considered him a friend. What he did gives me a deep feeling of disgust.

edit: the thread has since been deleted.

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eliyahu wrote: @thread from pyromania on amiga.org: Quote: I want to make something clear here. I don't like this thread one bit. I don't really want to remove it though because that might make it look like I was somehow at fault. I paid Deron in full to compete a final version of Aladdin 4D 6.0. He never did it and never explained why. I have asked him many times, I just get ignored. He also never provided source or setup a CVS so I could see what was being done. That's not fair to Aladdin 4D customers or me. I have been very generious to Deron over the years and considered him a friend. What he did gives me a deep feeling of disgust. edit: the thread has since been deleted.

What I said earlier about Bill coming and starting damage control

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and....it's back again.

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If Deron had doubts due to some long forgotten promise from Amiga Inc or whoever he should have never agreed to do Amiga programming work or accept payments for Amiga programming work. Since he insisted on doing only Mac work and never even proved any Amiga coding was done this is not about Amiga at all. This is about agreeing to do something, being paid a lot of money to do something then hiding afterwards. It's very wrong anyway you slice it. I don't know Deron, but if that is the way he treats friends and people that help him I would hate to see how he treats others.

I think that the fact that he just took the money a long time ago and now just hides speaks volumes. Once he got that last payment to complete the final version of Aladdin 4D 6.0 not a peep from him since.

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@Tedd

We have an exhibitor who is his "rep" attending AmiWest who's going to be in an uncomfortable position now, and others have been dragged into this for another reason.

I just want it resolved, as you do.

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I got answer from Deron (I sent him the link to this thread) and he wants to post his view here so we will have both sides then...

@ The Figments Of My Imagination...

What is it about the Amiga and those whom have ever had the slightest bit of power be it in software development/ sales or in the actual hardware development/ sales itself that has attracted some of the most insane, strange, delusional and sometimes just downright nasty "businessmen" to it over the past 27 years !!!

I know we've all gotta be a wee bit crazy to have spent anything up to and over a quarter of a century of our lives gibbering and endlessly speculating all things Amiga but why has it attracted to it some of the worst so called businessmen in history !!!

Sometime, somewhere far off in the future some wee historian will one day sit down to write a complete history of home computing and you know what, the section on the Amiga will be left out, cos anyone in the future they would most likely say "no way, those old Amiga forums and anything Amiga business wise related you found archived on the net must've been written as some sort of mad practical joke by a group of people making it all up, nothing as absurd or as "cult like" concerning a home computer could ever have happened like that, not in a million years"...

And you know something, I reckon they'd be right, cos the crazy world of Amigaland and everything that has ever happened in it must all be in my imagination...

I'm going to take my meds now & close my eyes and hopefully when I wake up in the real world, there won't be 6 Amigas surrounding me, I'll have never posted the rubbish I did on these sites (which don't exist) and I'll realise it was all just a mad, bad, funny, sad crazy dream that I can put down to the bit of cheese I'm eating right now...

Night, Night & pleasant dreams...

PS: If all this is still here in the morning, you'll find me at the Ronnie Raygun Home For The Terminally Bewildered bouncing off the nice soft walls...

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OlafS25 wrote: @number6 I got answer from Deron (I sent him the link to this thread) and he wants to post his view here so we will have both sides then...

Both sides? How can someone put up an arguement for not doing something they have been paid to by convincing others they were in the right to keep someone elses money?

At the very least this shows an absolute lack of professionalism and misrepresentation and possible theft.

Feelings and other issues do not come into business arrangements. I'm talking about logic and the law and what is right not some emotional BS vantage point. Whether you're under some influence or not you are still you and must bear the responsibility.

Unless he can prove he never got any money or the money given was for something else (which was agreed by ALL parties not just in DERONS mind) then he doesn't have a case and will probably just look like a childish fool.

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Both sides?

Yes - because so far, we only got one side's point of view.

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How can someone put up an arguement for not doing something

"not doing something" is a claim from BillP - i.e. you only know one side of the story.

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they have been paid

"they have been paid" is a claim from BillP - i.e. you only know one side of the story.

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to keep someone elses money?

"to keep someone elses money" is a claim from BillP - i.e. you only know one side of the story.

Bill McEwen once claimed that Ben Hermans had ripped him off ("I payed the required money, but he never handed over OS4"). Does thet mean OS4 is illegal or would you rather hear the other side's point of view first?

@Slayer

Do you know the "agreement" between both sides? Me not... perhaps Deron is the guilty, perhaps DiscreetFX, perhaps both. Who knows... We have heard one side but I think it is fair if we know the other side too

Did you guys read my post, this is all covered by the UNLESS section - those are the only options I can see that will be in his favour

You can dress it up or down anyway you like but I'm just talking black and white here, I'm not going to answer any posted questions or suggestion I was merely expressing my opinion and it's a reasonable one

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Did you guys read my post, this is all covered by the UNLESS section

You might want to rethink your position. In most civilised states, allegations have to be proven - apparently you think it's the other way round ("Unless he can prove").

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You can dress it up or down anyway you like but I'm just talking black and white here,

Excuse me? OS4 is illegal? I think that's a bit harsh.

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You might want to rethink your position. In most civilised states, allegations have to be proven - apparently you think it's the other way round ("Unless he can prove").

Indeed, innocent till proven guilty is quite an important principle.

We should hear Derons view if you wants to give it.

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