@AP

Yep... it is hard but with a "lower budget price" you can reach some (more) users...
So it is just a more realistic goal...

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Having/spending (wasting) money doesn't mean you will be doing anything good.. Lots of people are doing lot more things for the community without any money.

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@cheesegrate

Probably for the first time I agree with cheesegrater.

Give DiscreetFX a break, kas1e I wouldn't have expected you to have joined in with this group of whiners, I realise your anxious for Update 3 and Gallium, but please don't bring yourself down to this level.

Kas1e, stick with OWB and the porting efforts you excel at - please do not get drawn into this infantile behaviour.

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That is untrue.

a little quotation i like:
"There is no such thing as software for free. If it is not the user who covers the cost of software creation with money, it is the developer who covers this cost with his own free time." Time which is priceless....

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@kas1e

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If code are plain OpenGL/Glut/anything else to be fully cross-platform, then, knowing how bad situiation with current opengl, i think we not need to bother about at all.

Some one recently ported a major 3D modeleing package with a OpenGL interface...

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@eliyahu

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damn and blast. this isn't what i had hoped to see at all.

You should relealise this site is full of playground bullies, if you bully someone too much they don't come out to play any more.

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@cheesegrate

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wow one of the few people that is actually spending money on amiga development and all worthless people who are doing nothing to support the amiga platform can whine and moan.l. you people make me sick!

Not sure if you are being ironic or not, but taking you literaly I must agree!

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@phoenixkonsole: Of course, software development "costs" something... But there is "free" software. Some people write software in their spare time, don't spend anything more than pizzas in money, and don't ask for money in return. That's what I call "free" software (nothing to do with FSF). But I didn't meant to start a discussion on weather they can be free software, etc.. anyway.

What I meant and this is the important part in my post: some people are doing a lot more for the community, without any money to spend more than on pizzas... Having and spending money doesn't mean you're doing any good. I'm pretty sure Amino had lots of money when they bought the Amiga. They have yet to do something good for example.

The fact that someone invests (ie: wastes) money on the Amiga doesn't mean we should get on our knees because he did so...

So I'm fine with "give him a break". I'm not fine with "give he a break, he invested money".

PS: feel free to start a subject on the existence of "free" software, could be interesting...

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broadblues wrote: @kas1e Quote: If code are plain OpenGL/Glut/anything else to be fully cross-platform, then, knowing how bad situiation with current opengl, i think we not need to bother about at all. Some one recently ported a major 3D modeleing package with a OpenGL interface...

Who? (Just joking )

Thats another point: There is already Blender for Windows, MacOSX, Linux, AmigaOS4 and MorphOS (AROS-port anyone?). Aladdin has to compete with this free package, too.

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@Leo

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can you explain to me how spending your week ends working on your existing hardware to write software costs money ? This is work which could be rewarded by money, sure, but there's no cost... You could be paid by there user (shareware or donations, in money or software) but you don't have too.

He already explained that.

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Time which is priceless

Sure, there are people who only value time in terms of what paycheck accompanies that use of time. Clearly, he has a different opinion, more along the lines of "intangible assets" or "quality of life".

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Keep insulting us and beating on us if you like. It may just make us reconsider even developing for Amiga type systems.

I see AW.net is as rational & friendly as always

Before dumping Amiga full-stop, why not try dumping AW.net? If you don't like AW.net's atmosphere, then why not post elsewhere instead, and perhaps help encourage people to visit those other sites?

BTW, if you've had some similar nasty reactions on Amiga.org (I haven't checked), then perhaps it might be time to ramp-up the moderation there a notch? I'm sure there would be howls of protest (and in the past I might have been one of them...), but at some point naughty children need to be told that bad behaviour won't be tolerated. Just make sure the rules are clear & fairly applied (without bias), and that there is room for moderator decisions to be appealed (reconsidered by someone else).

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@ChrisH

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BTW, if you've had some similar nasty reactions on Amiga.org (I haven't checked), then perhaps it might be time to ramp-up the moderation there a notch?

That process has been underway for a while on Amiga.org.

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@number6

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That process has been underway for a while on Amiga.org.

Last time I checked it was one man show posting rants in every thread and stopped visiting. Things have changed?

@Rose

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Last time I checked it was one man show posting rants in every thread and stopped visiting. Things have changed?

Basically the same issue as here, staff lost to attrition over the years.
They were down to 2 mods and they were being "tentative" and I'm sure they would not deny that.
Since then I've seen one mod return (recently), another appointed, and I believe the intent is to add at least another, perhaps more.
I realize that alone doesn't solve issues, but perhaps it's a good 1st step.

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In general terms free of expression is taken too literally. You have to draw the line somewhere as a moderator, deleting threads and posts should be a daily process given the current state of some forums and not the final resort. But, instead threads are allowed to remain.

Also Amiga forums are too-open in some respects, on this forum foreinstance forums areas such as General Technology and Free For All - should be merged and stopped from appearing on the home page as they just infuriate people when completely non-related computing technology such as you know who infest, poison and take advantage of an established community.

If this where the configuration we would have never heard of members A, B and C and this can only be a good thing.

This site is for OS4, MorphOS and AROS users and anything else that does not contain an Amiga OS or Amiga-like OS should have no voice.

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when completely non-related computing technology such as you know who infest, poison and take advantage of an established community.

No one was arguing about that in this thread. Do you really think bringing this up will result in the thread taking a turn for the better?

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on this forum foreinstance forums areas such as General Technology and Free For All - should be merged and stopped from appearing on the home page

We've been over this countless times. AW voted and the staff followed by establishing policy based on the poll results. If you want a redo, write to the webmaster and make a request.

As for the rest of what you expressed, see above. Staff lost to attrition, as it has been on ALL sites. You could always write to the webmaster and request another nomination thread if you feel strongly about this.

I hate to repeat this again, but AW, much like Amiga.org is a very general site. You can't expect the same level of decorum here as you would on a site with a more unified audience like Morphzone.org, Amigans.net, aros-exec.org, the Hyperion forums, etc.

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@djrikky
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Give DiscreetFX a break, kas1e I wouldn't have expected you to have joined in with this group of whiners, I realise your anxious for Update 3 and Gallium, but please don't bring yourself down to this level.

Sorry to disappoint you , but that how is it. I just sick from all that foolish talks, which in reality make no real progress with anything. Everyone just asking for aos4/mos/aros screenshot of aladdin, and there is no single screenshot (Only politic-kind answers. But we not in situation to play in games, really. Its just smells bad).

And i can say you why : because there is no developing in that terms. Yes, maybe macos version in develop "a bit" (in free time) , but there is no amiga or amiga like builds as they say , and what mean, that porting to them will take also time, energy , time and energy again, motivation, time and again interest and motivation. And, that will not happen, not because i "bash" someone, or "keep insulting" , but because its _REALITY_.

But then just say it normally ! Like "if we will sold enough macos version, we will make maybe a amigaos port later". Stop hope that amiga users as fools, Stop promote that version on amiga sites, promote it on macos sites, or on windows ones. Why new directory opus authors not post all of this here, like "we make a new version for windows and macos, but maybe someday for amiga os as well, its highly portable".

Why they now say (omg) , that they have bad sales of aladdin 4.0 ! Holy crap, who care about that retro crap ?? They just now prepare a "way to back", like "you not buy aladdin 4.0 year ago, so, we will not release aladdin6.0 ?"

Now they saying "keep insulting, you can stop us to develop for amiga", blah , they develop nothing for amiga now ! They hope to found "friends" , when they make for 2 years #### announces for nothing and about nothing, and just trying to make all the users fools , and make them to be in hope that "there is actual developing of aladdin 6 for amiga" ? There is none ! Why they then promoute their work HERE ? Why not on macos.org / macos.com ?


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Kas1e, stick with OWB and the porting efforts you excel at - please do not get drawn into this infantile behaviour.

Sure , i know that better be away from that , but its just make me sick to read all of this years and years, and more of it , what make me more sick, its that there is users, who still protect such kind of talks/business/persons. For them better be in dream that there is "Company which works for amiga".

Better have nothing, better have no software, better have nothing at all in compare with all that talks in the years, and making posts about nothing, and in end saying that "if someone will insulting us, we will out". Out from what ?

Where is any real information ? screenshots ? Why i, others, always show their work in public with screenshots, videos, progression info ? Why when we ask adequate persons, they always answer normally to questions ? But nope, not discretfx. They will asnwer anything, tons of posts and newses, but not just :

"We develop portable vesion, but for MAcos. IF time will permit and interest will be here, we will make an AmigaOS version". But no, they just fool everyone , and trying to sale again and again retro crappy version.

And in end, its I whiner ! Holy crap, live in dream, then maybe amiga like oses will die faster.

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@kas1e

Dammit Roman you're right man!

@ DiscreetFX

Please refund my money for Aladdin v6 for AmigaOS as I would like
to use that money to make another donation to Andy for all his hard work bringing
Blender to AmigaOS4.x !

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I can remember many $$$ donations from DiscreetFX to various Amiga projects in all that years so i think we should considered all aspects before giving a totally negative opinion of them.

Having said this, it is also true that until now we haven't seen any tangible product

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@djrikki
Threads should be locked, NOT deleted like happened in the "bad old days" of AW.net (yes the old days were not all rosy). Otherwise you risk moderators and/or the site being accused of cencorship & bias, because people cannot see what was delete nor why. I advocated that in the past, and I still do.

However, rules must be applied intelligently - all rules have exceptions. For example, if someone posted something really inflamatory, then their post should be edited to remove the worst part, and the moderator leaving a note which explained roughly why it was edited (I believe this does happen on AW.net). For example, if someone was posting inflamatory crap (or spam) in hundreds of posts in tens of threads, then it would be reasonable to just delete all their posts, rather than go to the effort of editing & explaining every single one (this probably also happens on AW.net).

AW.net gets a lot right. But what they don't get right is by setting the moderation bar too high - for example you can be quite unfriendly & mean, and get away with it (and this encourages other people to behave similarly). However the mods have made it very clear they are happy with how things are currently done, so if you don't like how AW.net is run then your only choice is to go a generally better-run site. IMHO the only reason AW.net is still "popular" is the mometum from it's historical popularity.

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