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SpanishMan 
Re: X1000 and OS 4.2
Posted on 10-Aug-2011 18:14:10
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I think 100 is a very low number.... there is more than 100 people waiting for X1000.

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Like everyone on the outside I am just speculating.

But as the beta tester run is the only sure thing it would have to cover a good percentage
of the development cost if you were not naive.

So at least 500 .with contingency for at least 500 more.
Enough to keep current developers and attract more so that there is software available when lower cost multicore models are produced.


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I believe that that all X1000's made will be sold.


Any idea/guess/estimate how many units are planned?

About beta testers...there will be 100??!??!?
That number strikes me as a little too big.

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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2
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I don't dispute that. I just thought ther number of beta testers would be much lower, like about 20-30. Not basing this prediction on anything concrete, though.

That's not a bad thing, just thought they were fewer. ;)

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You are probably right in your assumption of under 30 beta testers. I'd be willing to bet on that! Very few people are going to pay money to be in a beta programme like that.. with all the conditionals.. most sensible amigans are waiting to see it in action first.

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realize wrote:
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You are probably right in your assumption of under 30 beta testers. I'd be willing to bet on that!


how much you betting

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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2
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I just think it's the first time over years I believe Amiga has a chance.

I know we won't have a new chipset and I know too that Amiga philosophy ended with Jay Minner not Commodore but we can have a nice machine running AmigaOS 4 and we can keep alive Amiga soul.

I'll buy one! for sure!

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@Spectre660

I just think it's the first time over years I believe Amiga has a chance.

I know we won't have a new chipset and I know too that Amiga philosophy ended with Jay Minner not Commodore but we can have a nice machine running AmigaOS 4 and we can keep alive Amiga soul.

I'll buy one! for sure!



Given the current technology environment and comparing with that, x1000 could stood a chance if it cost 300 euros along with the OS not 2.000.

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I just think it's the first time over years I believe Amiga has a chance.

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I'll buy one! for sure!


I see you joined AmigaWorld within the past 2 days, and are already excited about X1000, encouraged about a new future for the platform and planning to buy one.

That's awesome! Keep that! Don't let the old Amiga faithful that have been so burned by years of waiting, enduring legal battles, and being ripped off take that optimism from you. There's a new sheriff in town, and this time... it's for real! (apologies to Don LaFontaine)

I just hope more original Amigan's that lost hope long ago follow your path, and come back to the last computer they had fun using.

So, what's your history with Amiga, and why are you back? Is it the X1000 press coverage, or have you been following the amiga scene loosely for years...

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I 've been reading all about Amiga for years. I thought we never arrived to this point but I'm happy now seeing Hyperion+A-EON are making something great.

I had an A500, A1200 and CD32. I think Amiga is more than a computer. I can`t explain why but this is it. Don't you think the same?


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@SpanishMan

SImilar story.. had an Amiga 1000, purchased the day they went on sale in 1985. Used it for several years, until college and career forced Unix and then Windows on me. Kept loosely informed on Amiga happenings, once every 6 to 12 months.

Then, a couple years ago, I became involved again, as it became clear the legal stale mate was ending and hardware would be on offer again. At that time, I added an Amiga 2000 and 3000, and Minimig to my collection. And looked for next generation hardware, but the legal stalemate made that impossible for a couple of years.

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I think Amiga is more than a computer. I can`t explain why but this is it. Don't you think the same?

Definitely.. For me though, much of what made amiga more than a computer was the enthusiastic community surrounding it. Unfortunately, much of the original Amiga spirit has been dampened by a lot of negative emotion about all the crap that has transpired over they past 15 years. Gets me frustrated sometimes to read people being attacked or dumped on for trying to say anything hopeful or positive about things possibly getting better.

But, things are definitely changing for the better. Only the most trollful could claim otherwise. First and foremost, there is clear ownership and no more legal clouds. HUGE. And also there is a range of hardware option, from low end Efika, mid-range Sam440 and 460 and now high-end X1000. WIth more hardware options possibly coming available if things continue to improve.

Compared to 2007, there is a lot of reason to be more optimistic. Sure there are still big hurdles.. price point and feature equivalence primarily. But the platform is on sale again, and companies are making significant investment in building new products. Finally, people can start talking about computer issues, rather than court case melodrama, and what football stadium in Oregon didn't get paid by Ainc or whatever crap that was about... Time to talk about Video card drivers and what the best application is for video editing etc. Time to get back to computing, rather than soap-opera!

So, like you, I'm encouraged, and excited about X1000 and I make no apologies for having new hope! So let the people who think X1000 is misguided talk their talk. We need to not only rebuild the Amiga platform, but a new community as well, that is less defined by in fighting, and more defined by the original Amiga spirit. And new blood is the answer for that I think. There are about 5 million former amigans. As X1000 launches and gets more press, hopefully some of them will pay attention, and we can welcome back a few more former Amigans.

This will be my first next generation Amiga, and I have already told all my former Amiga buddies of 20 years ago that the platform is trying to stage a comeback. Most are not interested in Amiga anymore... but there are some former Amigan's from the 80's and early 90's that would love to get back into the amiga scene. This is why I think the X1000 may have broader appeal than the current Amiga market.

Will be very interesting to see how the X1000 fares.. as for me, I'll be wearing my "Amiga Is Back!" t-shirt everywhere I go.

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Good post. :)

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Wow! I love your post! I could sign all you said (do you undertand this? lol! is an spanish translation)

I think it's Amiga moment. Now or never.

Amiga community could not support more problems anymore.

It's a happiness moment!

We MUST do an effort like never before and be next to Hyperion, A-EON, A-Cube and Genesi.

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Re: X1000 and OS 4.2
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I have already told all my former Amiga buddies of 20 years ago that the platform is trying to stage a comeback. Most are not interested in Amiga anymore... but there are some former Amigan's from the 80's and early 90's that would love to get back into the amiga scene. This is why I think the X1000 may have broader appeal than the current Amiga market.


I have to ask the same question as I always do at this point; What is the USP - unique selling point? An Amiga for the sake of it just to load OS4.x in this day and age just won't cut it I'm afraid. I have told my old Amiga owning friends about the X1000 too but it doesn't get too far beyond the fact it costs 1500 and the A500/A1200 machine they remember was an affordable machine with great software!!!! They seldom even remember 'Workbench'.

We live in an age where people shell out for software i.e. Mac version of Maya at 3,050 but not for hardware. The Amiga will soon have cool hardware but still no software to shout home about! What exactly is going to entice the old Amigans back? Does the Amiga even plan to have an App store type arrangement to buy Classic games /software?

Shall I buy a 1500 black slab or buy Angry Birds for my MAC/PC/Smart Phone? That's the question most consumers ask themselves while saving up for specialised software or surfing the internet on a generic computer or smartphone. Amiga needs to think up something new like the App Store, Chrome, Tablets that work or a computer that 'Just works' preferably mobile and in a trendy case, booting instantly! Most of these new ideas have been either thought up or most of the time just implemented well by Apple. The Amiga seemingly just fights for survival in the hobby section of computer weekly. What's the solution? What is the USP for the X1000 we should be telling our friends about?

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Given the current technology environment and comparing with that, x1000 could stood a chance if it cost 300 euros along with the OS not 2.000.


Unfortunately the scale of economies means this isn't a direct comparison. 1$ in the current mass PC technology environment is not comparable to 1$ in a market so nanoscopic it's almost surprising it exists at all. The ignorant consumer wants about the same thing for both of those 1$, but he doesn't understand or doesn't realize the difference in BOM cost between the two different quantities is a huge difference, and that you make an X1000 and sell it at the same price as a mass-market PC of similar features/performance. It just can't be done.

So ignorant consumer may decide to avoid what he thinks is ludicrously expensive for what it is, that doesn't mean that Aeon should or can lower their price so much to be the same as similar mass-market PC price. Doing so would be a very large step toward instant failure for a nano-market niche product.

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I have to ask the same question as I always do at this point; What is the USP - unique selling point?

The classics had their custom chips, the A1's & SAM's have off the shelf cpu's. The x1000, on the other hand, has the PA6T. No other desktop has this chip, so that makes it just as unique as the classics, in my opinion.

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The classics had their custom chips, the A1's & SAM's have off the shelf cpu's. The x1000, on the other hand, has the PA6T. No other desktop has this chip, so that makes it just as unique as the classics, in my opinion.


You're talking about hardware again!! The modern computer industry pays good money for software not hardware. The USP needs to be software led! What can a PA6T CPU offer me that a Core2Duo, Atom or iCore chip can't? What software will the Dual Core PA6T allow me to run or run faster compared to the Sam460? What exactly can the XMOS chip achieve in real world application? Geek porn will not sell this machine to ex-Amigans, we need software and bundles too! I've heard nothing about bundled software!

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You asked what the "unique selling point" was & I gave my opinion. We can only hope more power hungry s/w comes after the h/w is out. XMOS is still a mytery, Varisys wanted to add it, we can only hope they give us the tools to use it in some way. Software always follows hardware if ppl support the h/w, bitching gets us nothing.

As far as the price, ppl just don't know how to save money for anything, the credit card is king. I asked a girl at work if she was putting any money into the company's 401K plan, she said she couldn't spare any money. I told her to start with the minimum & see how it went. She did, found out she didn't miss a few bucks a week, she ended up with 20K in a few years after she said she couldn't save. I have compassion for those that pay for the x1000, not easy, but the whiners will always whine.

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Please, give Hyperion and A-Eon a minute of peace! They are reviving now...

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If we are talking about a 2011 launch then the software and features need to be talked about now! It's not about 'giving them a minute of peace', it's about drumming up interest with our friends and ex-Amigans and at the moment I don't have a lot to say other than it's got an exotic Apple owned dual core PowerPC compatible CPU and a weird co-processor XMOS chip that might be able to control the heat in your greenhouse, oh and it costs 1500! Not much of a tag line yet is it? Give me an alternative argument to use and I'll use it. I'd buy it myself if I had the funds but I'm an Amiga fan and I'm following its development. Not everyone is!

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What is the USP - unique selling point?


I already posted extensively about the USP here and here.

So, as you'll see... I agree with you that the USP of X1000 is very much lacking and I concur it is extremely important to bolster that, if that is even possible.

There is no easy answer to this. We can all throw our hands up and claim it is impossible to find and build a compelling USP that atleast gets us to a second rev of the hardware - ie. an X500 laptop. And maybe that action would save us all a lot of aggravation and money.

At this point, I can't guarantee that you are wrong. But, I'm willing to be a part of the solution to the USP dilemma, if there is one. In my opinion, if we, the diehards can help support another hardware rev, in which the price point issue can be addressed, the equation could change dramatically. While I understand and support the X1000 price point, I think it is clear that this price point obviates many potential USPs that would have wider appeal.

Point being, my approach scopes the problem more tightly. Instead of "how do we get X1000 to support widely appealing USPs?", it changes the question to "how do we build a USP for X1000, that bridges us to the next hardware rev... where new USPs would be feasible based on price-point and mobility?"

It ain't easy.. Heck, it might be impossible. But I think there is a path yet unseen, for those brave enough and committed enough to think, rather than protest.

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