Software is what is really needed, software, software, software. If I had a million to spend improving the amiga scene I`d use it to get programmes written for or ported to AROS, hence making them available (in theory) for all flavours.

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@vox

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Quote: Quote: 3% thinks that Amiga OS is still at 3.9 Quote: I don't understand it like this. I understand that 3% think AmigaOS 4 is not AmigaOS. I don't understand it either. I have always considered 3.1 the last "real". Last one from Commodore. (of course it doesn't have that many differences to 3.0) While attachment to classic line of Amigas with OCS/ECS/AGA is understandable, as it was the "golden age" of Amiga, such attitude isn`t much true, reliable and even in user experience related. In these terms existance of MOS 1.x and OS 4.x for Classics with PPC is good, as it makes the connection more visible. Amiga OS4 is ported OS 3.1 to PPC with add ons and progress over time, even OS 3.5 and OS 3.9 are OS 3.1+similarly 3rd party updates. MOS has been built from scratch as PPC standalone on experience of AmigaOS (and some levels of compatibility) and similarly AROS was open source 3.x with add-ons. Only thing that had to be left was 68k and custom chipset, because they were way to obsolete and every company since late Commodore, Escom etc. was looking to find way forward.

So basically you are saying "Wrong opinion"?

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Note: I don't consider Pepsi "real" Coca Cola either, but that doesn't make me consider it bad in any way (it could be even better). Just "not-the-same"

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@AmigaBlitter

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I've presented a poll result. How can you say the contrary?

Because one thing is saying "ooh yeah, I really would like to have a single system". The problem is: WHAT SYSTEM?

I personally wouldn't buy for any bigger price than 50 euro any current flavour of Amiga OS. And the motivation is simple and it's called competition. Mainstream competitors offer better price/features ratio and allow to use a vastly bigger amount of games and applications, on cheaper and more powerful platform. I am an Amiga addict, but not to fond to spend my money on a 'passion' the way people do with MorphOS or AmigaOS4. Sorry. My current concept of Amiga computer are my netbook and my AMD desktop with AROS. Which is openly available on the internet for the right price (zero), at least IMHO.

Our technologies are obsolete and struggling towards modernity: they barely worth money, and only our passion give a value to them. Sad, but true.

Are you sure AmigaOS 4 users and developers would be happy to throw away ReAction to use MUI instead (and vice versa)? If the three could be easily put together without any loss, I'd be happy as well, but since this is impossible, your poll is philosophically similar to another one asking "would you like everyone being rich and happy?": everyone would answer YES, but only a little part of them would think that resources are limited, and everybody can have the same amount of them, but not being rich.

@paolone

This doesn't change the fact that many people wants to join the forces.
Have you tried to invite directly other parties to join the forces? I remember i asked you this question in the past. Please, don't reply that Aros is free and open source source and people are free to access his repository. Assuming that Morph OS and Amiga OS will join the forces now, will Aros choose to follow the two main Amiga OS merged into one? If yes, how?

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@Jupp3

Shortly, yes. Well, Pepsi vs Coke war ended, even none is recommended

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@AmigaBlitter
>This doesn't change the fact that many people wants to join the forces.

And I want a date with Jessica Alba. To be serious: Like paolone said, this wont be happen. The split happened years ago and we can´t turn back time. AmigaOS4 and MOrphOS are still commercial products and in competition with each other. Even many users and developers fight for "their" OS and are not willing to support the other OS. So we can wish what we wont, Hyperion and the MorpOS-team wont work together to create one common OS. The only OS we can influence as user is AROS because its OpenSource.

>Have you tried to invite directly other parties to join the forces?

AROS is OpenSource, so no need to invite someone, everyone is allowed to join "Team AROS". Additional paolone don´t own AROS (nobody does).

>I remember i asked you this question in the past. Please, don't reply that Aros is f>ree and open source source and people are free to access his repository.

But this is a fact and the only correct answer. No one owns AROS, so no one can invite a party. And do you really believe that Hyperion and/or the MOS-team are willing to join AROS?

>Assuming that Morph OS and Amiga OS will join the forces now, will Aros choose >to follow the two main Amiga OS merged into one? If yes, how?

The questions is absolute irrelevant, because Amiga OS4 and MorphOS wont join their forces. AROS is already merged into the two OSes, because its sources are open.

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@AP
Well no one own AROS is right... but if you take AROS and set on top stuff.. this stuff can be closed. Changes to the core part have to be made public..

But see how Apple did with NetBSD. We have Darwin and we have OSX... same engine different face and darwin misses the closed stuff.

So in fact AROS can be really interesting for Hyperion for the far far far postapocalyptic post-ppc future.

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MOS and Hyperion should abandon their companies and put all their efforts into AROS. They can live on 'Amiga Love' which is much more sustainable than something like say... food.

CUSA and Ainc will also be welcome because hey... it's all about the love.

another complete nonsence thread, as if it wasnt discussed so many times. and boring atop of that. deserves to be closed. start a nice flamewar instead.

@phoenixkonsole: I fully agree with you (and I like AROS). But nevertheless I don´t believe, that Hyperion and the MOS-team will join their forces or give up the commercial status of their OS in the near future. So I don´t think this thread makes sense.

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@AP
Yep, i agree. But we can all work together in terms of software. Or in other words... one hand helps the other. Or stop flaming... or let's learn from AROS. Let's test new technologies in AROS and if they are doable in an Amiganoid system take it over..

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@AmigaBlitter
I'm surprised this thread got created, I would have thought you'd understand the state of play from the last three versions of this thread.

My issue with you saying "let's join the forces" is that they're just empty words, as you don't have any plan to go along with it.

It's like me saying "let's all live in peace and harmony". Sure, it sounds nice, but saying it doesn't get you anywhere, you need a strategy that you can apply to try to achieve it.

So, stop repeating "let's join the forces" and start describing the plan on how to do so.

Let me put it like this, I mostly follow AROS but I have no issue with the existence of OS4 and MOS and the people who have chosen those platforms. Each of the platforms has its strengths, I don't mind people choosing another OS to use, they perhaps just have different (but valid) values to me.

For example, I value AROS' openness. I would never happily "join the forces" if this openness was lost. However, other people value the benefits of the closed source model. How could you have an OS that is both fully open-source and fully closed-source at the same time? You can't, it's impossible. Does this make sense to you?

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@tommywright

Do you really think these people make ANY money from what they do, much less put food on their table??

Chris

@clebin

That was the assumption, yes. Are you telling me these companies do not sustain themselves? I can't even fathom going through the abuse that these guys take for nothing. Surely they make a living.

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@wawa

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another complete nonsence thread, as if it wasnt discussed so many times. and boring atop of that.

It's not over yet. Be prepared for "It's time to join the forces part V", which AmigaBlitter already scheduled for mid-August.
The first post will (surprisingly) go like this:

"Peoples wants to join forces. Any suggestion or ideas?"

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The reality is this, Aros is a good system and because it is open everyone can just have fun experimenting with it. Also, the fact that Aros is generally being taken a lot more seriously is a really good thing and proves the time spent on it was time well spent by all.

As for the coming together of all parties, this would be up to the small number of people who control there OS's, I see no reason why a joint effort cannot work and do not worry about the history part so much it is lead by the users out there eventually.

In the meantime, Aros will soon become a natural upgrade for classic 68k users and then they can move whenever they like to Aros on PPC, Arm, or x86. And of course all for free.

So nothing to worry about for the future.

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@clusteruk

One step forward could be setting common goals for developing, api, etc

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@AmigaBlitter

Already are, Amiga OS4 is developing Gallium 3d using Aros as a guide. All things come to those who are patient.

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So we can wish what we wont, Hyperion and the MorpOS-team wont work together to create one common OS.

like i said in previous threads a "common os" is not needed only a common system that allows an amiga program to run on multiple flavors(without compiling). if we could get that then we would have a better chance of getting new programs without having to wait for ports from one flavor to another.

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