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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 20:31:06
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| 1000$ for a CPU!? Does it make martinis?
It only shows how dangerous basing your design on CPUs that are not mass produced. I hope they eventually port to x86, with these ridicilous prices on one end and slow and limited SAMs on the other end I think OS4 is out of my reach for the forseeable future. |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 21:16:04
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 21:30:41
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Cheaper but with less features than PA6T. e6500 cores are best PowerPC alternative available today. However, I still think x86 port would be more reasonable (and not that expensive in the end). |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 21:45:58
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And what about the APM86190 , Dual Core at 1,5 GHz with 3 PCIe, 2 SATA, USB and Ethernet, in the same class of chip like the PPC440 and PPC460. |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 22:36:08
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| It's always good to ask yourself what do you need more raw power for? To watch 1080p videos? And what else? What's the most CPU consuming SW on Amiga today? Blender? Who is using Blender professionally, I mean the percentage of AmigaOS users? OK - more power, more cores - is this request still valid today? To open more tabs in Firefox? We don't ask ourselves what kind of software we need to use and we like to have? Does Raspberry success lie in number of cores and CPU gigahertzes? What is the reason behind the ARM success?
We are so obsessed with raw power, unfortunately. _________________ "Marxism must abhor nothing so much as the possibility that it becomes congealed in its current form. It is at its best when butting heads in self-criticism, and in historical thunder and lightning, it retains its strength" - Rosa Luxemburg. |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 22:42:16
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| I think is time to redesign Nemo CPU slot... _________________ F1 Srbija |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 23:09:24
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It's not that simple... depending on the CPU chosen to replace PA6T, the MB design would have to be changed to dome degree... and another 1-2 years would pass before X2000 could be released to the public... |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 23:10:45
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 23:12:43
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music apps needs power too like hd-rec and whatever that uses softsynths, effects like reverb, mastering plugins like multibandcompressor.
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 15-Aug-2012 23:52:56
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| We make often a distinction between ordinary and a professional user. The professional user needs more and more raw power, the ordinary user does not need it. Leave aside the raw power, AFAIK there are no modern music apps for AmigaOS. AmigaOne platforms are close to be an environment for ordinary users, but are far from being a platform for professional users who need more and more raw power. Why are we so obsessed with that power? For the sake of 5% of users? Why do we need yet another heavyweight platform?
AmigaOS needs software most, the drivers and apps, I mean the good-written apps and the good-written drivers and that should concern us first of all (in any imaginable time frame). Because of that I think low-cost low-spec netbook will be a perfect product for the community. _________________ "Marxism must abhor nothing so much as the possibility that it becomes congealed in its current form. It is at its best when butting heads in self-criticism, and in historical thunder and lightning, it retains its strength" - Rosa Luxemburg. |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 0:18:54
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I doubt it is possible without complete redesign. |
Of course not but I think the plan is to follow it up with another product at some point. |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 0:22:15
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| I'd like more power and will certainly use to good effect what power I get when operating system and driver advances unlock some more of the power within my X1000. I'd like to use Blender to better capability, for sure as well as to view and even produce higher-spec video. HD-Rec already has been mentioned.
These days, it's not just professional users that demand power. Everyday users are consuming and producing high-def video and processing multi-megapixel images. A lot of folks really are doing more than checking their email.
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 0:31:03
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There's plenty of 68k software that will benefit from a faster core even today. Any rendering or image processing software will almost always take advantage of more CPU power. It not just professionals that want to get things done faster. |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 0:31:55
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| @thread
I also need more power, scanning documents at 600dpi+ results in huge file sizes and editing/ processing/converting + OCR is time consuming, my 2 core 2GHz 2GB system is crawling.
I wish i could do all this on Amiga, it would do it but so slowly.
Please dont let hardware limit the creative freedom of developers and users.
Thank you.
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 0:38:31
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I think Neko said that B-Plan couldn't get the 8641 to work properly with an ATI southbridge and I don't think that the southbridge used on the Argo Navis reference board was available after Nvidia bought ULI.
LSI Axxia could be interesting since I believe the 476fp core is supposed to have Altivec/VMX and AXM2500 is supposed to start from less than $50 so the ACP3400 series might be considerably cheaper than A-EON were originally getting the PA6T for.Last edited by Rob on 16-Aug-2012 at 12:56 AM.
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 1:38:59
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| Why all this CPU central power desire?. What is this, Intel a gogo?..
This Is Amiga.. we want power, we plug in more computational modules and distribute our multithreaded code among them.
You want power?.. Plug 8 GPUs into your ASUS Supercoputer Mobo, and watch the poor mere 80 core Intel CPU scream as its only got dual memory controllers instead of 16 way accross teh gigabytes of high speed Ram on the easily replaceable and upgradable GPUs.
Even the A500 could handle 8 coprocessors.
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 2:32:04
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Good post. This whole I have a Radeon 90000 HD PCI EXpress super card and dual core 1billion gigahertz is doing nothing for us.
What we need is SOFTWARE games and apps.
They should have went with "Project moana" and had os4 on mac ppc like morphos team did. |
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 4:12:24
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What hardware are sufficient to you? A1200?
The pricetag of the x1000 is most likely making several of us hesitant to buy into AOS platform. Lack of userbase will most likely translate into lower/slower production rate of software. My PC is modular which means i can upgrade bits and pieces as the years pass; a new cpu here and a new motherboard there in a reasonable pricerange. I do not have insight into the supply of x1000s cpu, but if whats being written here is true it seems a bit odd to select a limited supply and rather expensive cpu as the foundation. Btw, is the cpu soldered or can it be changed or upgraded? And if changeable; what are the alternatives?
As for not needing power; I guess this is kinda true to a point, but on my PC rig I often sit with dual screens running twitchtv, youtube, openoffice, dvd movies etc etc and maybe a game in the background. All of this is doble without lag due to a i7+12 gigs of ram. I dont NEED it, but its very convinient. I stopped being a tinkerer back in 1999-2000, when I used to dabble around a bit with asm coding and felt rather comfortable spending days and weeks tweaking just for fun. These days not so much. The relativly few hours i got to spend at the computer I dont wanna spend waiting for things to refresh, hunt for ways to make things work etc. Some people love this as a hobby tho, so what doesnt work for me might be perfect for others Dunno if users like me are the targetgroup for the x1000, but more users couldnt hurt.
THAT said, the x1000 users here seems very happy with their systems and with amigakits service. Trevor has supplied a high performance alternative to the AOS userbase, which should be applauded.. Last edited by Overflow on 16-Aug-2012 at 04:34 AM. Last edited by Overflow on 16-Aug-2012 at 04:23 AM. Last edited by Overflow on 16-Aug-2012 at 04:22 AM. Last edited by Overflow on 16-Aug-2012 at 04:20 AM. Last edited by Overflow on 16-Aug-2012 at 04:14 AM.
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 6:31:38
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| Ah well... The good news is, more X1000s are being assembled and delivered at this time. The awesome news is that the price did not rise despite the higher production cost. This last part is an insane business model but also show dedication to the platform and its users. Now that deserves a big thumbs up instead of complaining about the rarity of the system and its components.
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Re: WooHoooo! AmigaOne X1000 to ship by years end! Posted on 16-Aug-2012 7:45:48
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| about change of CPU & board redesign.
To me it seems it was a lot of work to make SB600 to work with PA6T. With more modern CPU SoC you most likely do not need SB600.
Cheapest low end: -30eur SoC (one SATA, one PCIe, 1Ghz, max 512MB 667Mhz 32bit DDR2, 256k L2) -One PCIe slot for GPU. -One slot for X expansion (connection to PPC local bus, GPIO etc.) -USB hub onboard -Basic Sound chip on board (optionally xena on board to do the audio + some I/O) -should be doable below 200eur (should sell more than any NG HW so far, would bring more people to try the niche)
Mid range: -300eur SoC (1.4-1.6Ghz, Altivec, Quad core...) -etc. -should be doable below 600eur (should/could sell like SAM460/peg2, perhaps more)
High end (x2000): -500eur SoC (8-24core....) -etc. -should be doable for about 1000eur (sold volumes will be low, not as low than with x1000)
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