@itix

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I dont know how many computers Acube and A-eon can sell in a year but I doubt their sales exceed number of MorphOS licenses sold every year.

So then MOS took the right road, and you don`t need to worry at all.
AmigaOS 4 will die by its owners policies (just like Commodore Amiga did)

Having both OS 4 for Macs and MOS for AmigaOne`s would be great thing to see, and efectivly would end that silly war. Hope to see that in years to come, alongside both OS developments.

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@itix

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itix wrote: @KimmoK I dont know how many computers Acube and A-eon can sell in a year but I doubt their sales exceed number of MorphOS licenses sold every year.

So Morph Team is ready to higher developers and expand operation?

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Maybe. But who would pay money for that weird, hosted-on-top-of-something-else OS?

I think the only way it could happen is if somebody added PPC emulation to UAE so it could run OS4.1 for classics. Hyperion would have to accept that their OS was pirated to run on it but it would allow people who otherwise wouldn't be willing to shell out for the expensive hardware to try out OS4.1.

Those who are going to buy the hardware and an official licence will still do so but there would also be a chance that a few who tried it out by pirating and running in UAE or some other emulator would be convinced to buy the hardware and pay for a licence.

PearPC is what convinced me to buy a mac so there is some kind of hope in this.

The OSX86 scene convinced some people to buy real macs too.

I know that even if i could afford it I could never justify spending the amount required on official hardware to run an OS I have never tried but If I had the option to install it and try it out on my big ugly PC and realised it could do what I need in a way that suits me I would buy into it.

the MorphOS strategy of allowing you to try it out for a limited time before committing to purchase a licence would be a good way to go if you didn't already need an expensive computer just to be able to try it. I'll be getting my old G4 powermac back from my sister soon so I can try MorphOS, I would much rather get to try out AmigaOS 4.1 but there is no way for me to do so.

AmigaOS 4.x really does need some way of allowing people to try it out before buying, just being able to have a quick play with somebody else's machine at a user group meeting wouldn't be enough for most, and it's no good at all for those of us without a local user group.

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I don't think so. It is still too small.

@vox

It is the right road for MorphOS but it is still small bus driving on a bumpy gravel road in PowerPC woods.

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@itix

What kind of number of new users MOS is getting per year?
(I know a lot of people have 3 or more MOS computers, but they still buy one application per home)

I think MOS did not have any HW to go to, that's why they had to go for Apple HW, even though it meant the waste of thousand(s) of man years of work. As long as AOS4 is playing catch up with MOS maturity, I rather see AOS4 resources supporting new HW (HW that can be used for serious business like http://www.ferrule-media.no/dental-kanal.html etc.).

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@recedent

"But who would pay money for that weird, hosted-on-top-of-something-else OS?"

Same kind of weird people who buy obsolete PPC Macs to PAY for weird new OS for it ???
With hosted solution they could perhaps skip the HW buying part?

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@KimmoK

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What kind of number of new users MOS is getting per year?

I dont know? 50? 100? 200? 300? Even 100 hundred per year sounds too optimistic because it would mean new user every third day or so.

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(I know a lot of people have 3 or more MOS computers, but they still buy one application per home)

I don't think anyone in the MorphOS team is having a problem with it. It is applications what bring new users anyway, at least in non-Amiga world.

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I think MOS did not have any HW to go to, that's why they had to go for Apple HW, even though it meant the waste of thousand(s) of man years of work.

They had to? Heck, no, we didn't have to. We chose to do so. SAM was an option buteventually rejected, one of reasons was to concentrate on Mac mini port.

MorphOS does not enjoy the same brand loyality what AmigaOS 4 is enjoying and must act accordingly. There is this strategy in AmigaOS 4 land that it must have run on a dedicated hardware -- maybe because it always was part of Amiga "brand" we know from a Commodore era.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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So Morph Team is ready to higher developers and expand operation?

No. It was stated by well known MOS developer that
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The money from the registrations is mostly used to keep the web site, registration server and other support infrastructure running. It is also used to obtain hardware for potential future ports.

So purchasing MOS license shall help ports to yet another obsolete Mac model.
While money spent on AmigaOS, SAM440, SAM460 and AmigaOne X1000 will go to the Amiga developers for faster AmigaOS development and eventually newer Amiga models.

I know what I prefer.

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@drHirudo

Are you blind!? Your `obsolete ppc macs` make all OS4 hardware (including the x1000) look very crappy indeed and are more plentiful as well. Before you tell me we haven`t seen the performance of an x1000 yet I don`t need to see the thing to know it won`t match a quad G5 which is still WAY cheaper.

The only thing worth discussing is WHY they won`t port os4 to the bloody things - it makes me want to bash my head against the wall it really does.

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@Frags

In fact, could you explain exactly why you don`t support the idea of using AmigaOS on a ppc mac? I mean exactly why in detail. I really do want to know.

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@Frags

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The only thing worth discussing is WHY they won`t port os4 to the bloody things - it makes me want to bash my head against the wall it really does.

We've covered that in detail many times here.

I think everyone's issue is that they have not seen anything they regard as an official explanation. That can't be helped.

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@itix

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@vox It is the right road for MorphOS but it is still small bus driving on a bumpy gravel road in PowerPC woods.

Don`t get me wrong: fully support MOS try option and availiability for Macs

Well, if AmigaOS 4 is even smaller bus, what can we do about it - but comply to what companies decide to do. Because small buses means their own limitations too. There will be always pro et contra arguments, but one must say its good to have (several versions of) new hardware, even if its expensive. Just as it is good to have cheap second hand one, too.

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@drHirudo

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drHirudo wrote: While money spent on AmigaOS, SAM440, SAM460 and AmigaOne X1000 will go to the Amiga developers for faster AmigaOS development and eventually newer Amiga models.

Most of the money will go to recouping development costs for HW that can't even stand it's ground against 6+ year old "obsolete" Apple HW.

More of the money will be spend on pointless cardboard boxes and distribution costs.

The rest isn't enough pay 1 developer a wage above social-benefits.


It's really just that one side openly admits that it is just a hobby, while the other one insist in pretending to be a "buisness".

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@drHirudo

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drHirudo wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga While money spent on AmigaOS, SAM440, SAM460 and AmigaOne X1000 will go to the Amiga developers for faster AmigaOS development and eventually newer Amiga models. I know what I prefer.

Perhaps you prefer that Hyperion & employees become millionaires by selling hardware to people like yourself, meanwhile the average Amiga fan can't afford the expensive hardware. whether you agree or not, its the truth.

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@Kronos

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Kronos wrote: It's really just that one side openly admits that it is just a hobby, while the other one insist in pretending to be a "buisness".

That IS why, that`s EXACTLY why, it`s ridiculous!

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@Darth_X
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become millionaires by selling hardware to people like yourself

...and the funny thing is that there are actually people out there who really believe this. I don't know in which currency you'll expect someone to become a millionaire with selling AmigaOS licences, some SAMs or AmigaOnes, but it's not pounds, euros or dollars...

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@cha05e90

Just wait till Angozy "saved" the Euro, becoming a millionaire will be so much easier afterwards

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@Kronos
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It's really just that one side openly admits that it is just a hobby, while the other one insist in pretending to be a "buisness".

Might be. But for me as a customer it's irrelevant - I pay for a licence (with or without HW) and get a product. That's it. If I don't have the money (i.e. during the Bplan Pegasos I & II and Eyetech AmigaOne period) - I can't buy. Period. This "discussion" is really obsolete.

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@Kronos

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Just wait till Angozy "saved" the Euro, becoming a millionaire will be so much easier afterwards

Oh dear... How's the russian Rubel nowadays? Or Rinminbi? (Where my wallet???)

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@Frags

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we haven`t seen the performance of an x1000 yet I don`t need to see the thing to know it won`t match a quad G5 which is still WAY cheaper.

I think X1000 could be a little bit less loud.