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KimmoK 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 24-Oct-2011 9:03:30
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A video of AOS4.1 on classic Amiga. Some 800MIPS netbook should not be slower than this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khS4TcsZ1nM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg8Ulua-uTM
It should be several times faster than 166Mhz A1200? :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTeFCvri-Ew&feature=related

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metalmac 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 24-Oct-2011 9:48:26
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@KimmoK

Yes!

This realy looks promising for the Netbook!

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Troels 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 24-Oct-2011 10:55:40
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@metalmac
I am not worried about the AmigaOS4 performance on the new netbook but I wonder what I can do with it.

Will it run Timberwolf without any slowdowns? What resolution video streams will it be able to handle? Games? UAE (Now JIT becomes important)? Will AmiCygnix be usable? Etc. etc...

It's not enough AmigaOS is responsive if the hardware is to slow to be running all the fun stuff.

I might sound negative but If it is the LimePC I would rather have a used Mac running OS4, simple as that. To me it seems MOS choose the right direction.
Hell, even AmigaOS emulated on an X86 laptop would probably perform better:(

But I will get it as it will be nice to get a portable for some writing and light webbrowsing.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@ssolie

Why netbook and not a notebook?

Netbooks suck, they thrash one's eyes. And the long battery life isn't excuse here at all.

However, anything Amiga appears, I'd buy it.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@DiskDoctor

12" screen would be nice IMO (room for decent keyboard), but I still have my doubts about the CPU speed and GFX performance. Hope it will be ok as I have longed for an AmigaOS4 Netbook/laptop for many years.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Intriguing... The cynical side of me would say this announcement is meant to preempt December's MorphOS 3.0 release that includes PowerBook support.


First contacts for this were made at last year's AmiWest, and the project has now progressed up to a point where it can be called a project (.e. main adaption of vital components is done). What better place to announce something like that than on AmiWest ?

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mskov 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 24-Oct-2011 12:05:42
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If we assume that the netbook is 400mhz...

How fast will that be for OS4.1 software - and emulation? Will we be able to run the classic Amiga games with E-UAE? If we get JIT to work that should help...

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rebraist 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@mskov

it's a netbook and a netbook (as its name implies) is mainly made for "the net":websurfing, youtube watching and a little more.
Even if os4 is a lightwieght os, heavy applications (like rendering ones) are not made for this hw.
I hope it'll be enough powered to do a little development. If price would be under 300 euro (400$) it'd sound interesting even to me.

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TheDaddy 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Very good news.

As long as it's not lime green I am interested.

This is great for Amiga/AmigaOS and the community.

I'd be cool to know how long the battery lasts.

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Mechanic 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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Nice.

I don't have a portable ( heck, I don't even have a cell phone) but since this will go right along
with my hobby........Yup! Gonna get one.

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wawa 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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First contacts for this were made at last year's AmiWest, and the project has now progressed up to a point where it can be called a project (.e. main adaption of vital components is done). What better place to announce something like that than on AmiWest ?

looks like meet.mrngr got his deal in the end or something of the sort. if the hardware with linux is on the market already then i think there is no doubt what it is. or do i err? nice development even if a little late. will consider it once it has been factually released.

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redrumloa 
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@EntilZha

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EntilZha wrote:
@redrumloa

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Intriguing... The cynical side of me would say this announcement is meant to preempt December's MorphOS 3.0 release that includes PowerBook support.


First contacts for this were made at last year's AmiWest, and the project has now progressed up to a point where it can be called a project (.e. main adaption of vital components is done). What better place to announce something like that than on AmiWest ?



Yeah, that makes sense.

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Daedalus 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@redrumloa

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@Daedalus

Something must be seriously borked on your Macs


Yeah, I thought that too. But a clean OS install (10.4 on the G4, 10.5 on the G5) with all updates applied yields the same results. In fairness it will play the video fine, provided I'm not doing anything else at the time. But opening a finder window and browsing files or opening a new browser tab or window will cause the Youtube playback to stutter and jump. HTML5 is a little better, and installing an older version of Flash seems to help with videos still playing through it.

Both machines can play and edit full-screen video in iMovie without breaking a sweat, no matter what else is running, so it's not a horsepower thing, just a web video thing...

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metalmac 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@Daedalus

Its the flash plugin thats sucks probebly.

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@thread

At first, I thought that Acube was finally delivering project Netstore. Having seen that this is an OEM hardware, I now doubt that initial guess.

http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=55

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metalmac 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 24-Oct-2011 14:28:42
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This sounds cool to, maby somthing for the furture

"iWave announced it's i.MX53 SOM on the same day Freescale announced the availability of i.MX53 SoC

Bangalore, 1st March 2011, INDIA - iWave Systems Technologies Pvt. Ltd., a leading embedded design house Headquartered in Bangalore announces a High end, Low cost, Low power SOM based on Freescale’s i.MX53 (Cortex-A8) Multimedia application processor on the same day Freescale announced its i.MX53 processor development platform availability.

This i.MX53 SOM module will support the major operating system including Windows Embedded Compact 7/CE 6.0 R3, Android 2.1, Linux and QNX/VxWorks OS platforms.

This module is iWave's latest addition to its growing family of multimedia focused products offering high performance processing with a high degree of functional integration, aimed at the growing Automotive Infotainment, Telemedicine, HMI & Display based cluster markets.

A dedicated video processor offloads the main core by performing video 1080p decoding and 720p encoding for multimedia applications like playing movies and monitoring cameras.“To speed up the product development at low cost, we have designed this module in MXM-3 form factor. Complex part of the design is implemented in this module and have brought all the signals to the MXM connector, so that anybody can buy this module and quickly develop their own application specific carrier card" said Abdullah Khan – Director Engineering, iWave Systems. Alternatively, iWave can also support in developing custom design around its i.MX53 module.

The key features of this module are i.MX53 / 1GHz processor includes 3D and 2D graphics, 1080i/p video processing, on board 1GB/2GB DDR2 RAM, 8GB eMMC4.41 Flash, 16MB SPI Flash for Boot, 10/100Mbps Ethernet PHY, Micro SD, UART and USB OTG. The module supports MXM-3 form factor of size 85mm x 85mm and support MXM3 edge connector for IO expansion to support Dual LCD, Dual Camera, USB2.0, SATAII, SD/SDIO, CAN, MLB, ESAI, SSI, SPDIF, Video-In, TVout, SPI, I2C, UART and various IO interfaces.

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Form Factor: 85mm X 85mm

Advantages by going with iWave solution:

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Daedalus 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 24-Oct-2011 14:45:57
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@metalmac

Well, the newest Flash plugin is the worst performing, but switching to HTML5 still wasn't great, still skipping and jumping if I did anything else... And this is across a couple of browsers as well...

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Posted on 24-Oct-2011 15:42:01
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@Daedalus

It's been happening for years, I used to use a beige G3 mac with a 233mhz cpu running OSX 10.4, it was usable for web browsing and would play youtube videos ok with a little skipping and any flash content was fine, I then moved to a 466mhz G4 DA that I put a Geforce3 video card in to get QE working, it did everything without any slowdown. I gave this to my sister a few years ago and it did everything fine, she plays a flash game called iSketch and it ran well but after every flash player update it would get slower and slower until it became unusable, nothing had changed in isketch so for some reason flash player was slowing it down. either Adobe has been making it slow down deliberately or they just don't bother optimising the PowerPC code any more, the cynic in me would claim there must be some kind of deal with apple to make powerpc macs seem so slow it will force people to upgrade to an intel mac although flash player struggles on a single core Atom so it looks like the x86 versions have become just as slow.

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TheDaddy 
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@TheMaskedMuchacho

I agree.

I have got an iMac 1.8GHz PPC and it's useless for playing youtube videos (flash), browsing is still okish though.

Running Safari and GarageBand is going to slowland.

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@TheDaddy

it's either something wrong with your Mac or PPC Flash support is poor.

I can play youtube HD videos on 900 MHz x86 AMD(downclocked, it's actually a 1.8 GHz Turion X2).

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