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Tomppeli 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 5-Aug-2012 20:58:10
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This is the only Limebook video I could find showing LimeOS (Ubuntu PPC)LimeBook

Does it indicate the future performance of OS4?

No. Ubuntu is bloated and slow c**p.

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Zylesea 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 5-Aug-2012 23:16:08
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@KimmoK

As I repeadtedly said, OWB on the Efika is nice enough, even youtube works to some extend (depends on codec and practically fails then due to low ram). But that youtube thing requires a really optimized browser like OWB for MorphOS as Fab described a few posts above.
But even other rather heavy things like maps.google.#? are working rather nicely.
I don't know though how well MUIOWB runs on OS4. But OWB MorphOS is really nice and fast and since MUI OWB is a port of that it shouln't be too crappy me thinks.
The 400 MHz are no highspeed though and once you're used to a beefier system you'll find many things rather snorring-slow, but it's fairly okay. Depends on the price of course, too.

I am pretty much satisfied with my Amiga fix on my ppc laptops now (15" Powerbook and maybe the 12" iBook will see MorphOS soon as well), hence I am probably not interested in that device. But generally spoken, an e300/400 MHz based device is far from being useless (given the OS is stable and optimized and the price is not nuts).

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realize 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 1:45:40
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@Mikey_C

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WHERE IS THE GODDAM NETBOOK HYPERION???


Hmm I was banned twice for comments like this and for things similar to what others have posted in this thread... are you guys calling hyperion liars? (which is what you all asked me when I asked where is proof of the netbook)

surely a year later Hyperion will have the netbook at Amiwest right guys? surely.

its ok i've been a member since the site's inception and I got banned and AR 'd countless times for criticizing Amiga Inc (and now its fashionable to do so here, and by some of the biggest fanboys who back then complained about me and filed abuse reports) maybe a lesson? probably not..

You would think all the Sam owners with incomplete drivers would realize that this netbook project would once again call for writing drivers on "alien" pc hardware. Not easy. Time consuming, requires a team and money. So years.

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 9:13:25
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@realize

perhaps it was (just a guess) the choice of words why you were banned?

"liars" is a hard word, Solie said there is a netbook booting (at Amiwest 2011) and that propably was. But from "booting" to "completely supported" can be a long road (drivers...). Then they need software on it. They propably do not want to preinstall OWB (from MorphOS) but their own "Timberwolf". And we all can see (and read) that it is not ready for a netbook. So I would guess that there will be at least another announcement at Amiwest.

Of course the announced "release date" was way too optimistic but if you think they knew that when the release date was announced or if they simple underestimated the problems must everybody decide for himself.

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ExiE 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 9:27:28
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@OlafS25
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They propably do not want to preinstall OWB (from MorphOS) but their own "Timberwolf".

If the netbook is underpowered as expected, OWB would be much more suitable for use there than Timberwolf...

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@ExiE

Yes it would but we all know that todays "Amigaworld" is not really rational . I personally guess they do not want to install software from "competition" (when you look at the long "red" versus "blue" war). To be honest it would have been more rational (from my point of view) to stop development of "Timberwolf" after with OWB a good browser was available and concentrate on more missing software like porting a office-package. But that is only my personal view (from someone who was "outside" a long time). But propably they do not want to be dependent from other developers.

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Swoop 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 9:52:53
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@OlafS25

Timberwolf was a part-time bounty project, that just happened to be taken on by Two of th OS4 developers. It never was a Hyperion project.
Red/blue/competition just doesn't relate to that situation.

As for OWB it is quite useful, but doesn't have a proper browser front end.
Also, as I understand it, MUI-OWB is still buggy, and doesn't offer all the same features as the morph-os version.
Hence on OS4, Timberwolf still has a place to fill.

Is there a bounty for an office suite?
Is there an office suite that can be ported?
Do we need an office suite?

Certainly I do a lot of office work on my A1, and I manage without an office suite.
Still that's only my opinion, and I'm not an outsider.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 9:59:21
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@Swoop

MUI on AOS could be improved and would be of great benefit for all OS4 users. But they do not support MUI (for them it is MorphOS again even though it existed long before) but Reaction. It is again something more emotional than rational to me.

And regarding Office. Yes you need one when you want to win users outside the existing base.

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pavlor 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 10:10:27
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@OlafS25

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MUI on AOS could be improved and would be of great benefit for all OS4 users.


MUI was improved in Update3 and Update4, full MUI4 compatibility will be probably introduced in 4.2 (according to screenshots posted by kas1e).

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And regarding Office. Yes you need one when you want to win users outside the existing base.


Today, best Office support has AROS x86: MS Office in DosBox.

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 10:18:52
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@pavlor

Yes but MUI is not the (or at least one next to Reaction) official supported GUI-toolkit, it was (and is) done by developers outside (as far as I know). Hyperion seems to be afraid to be "dependent" of others and afraid of not controlling the source.

In a small market with limited resources it would be more wise to concentrate them on critical parts (of OS and software) than to reinvent wheels. But that is another topic...

Back to thread:
People have to wait for Amiwest...

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pavlor 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 10:25:09
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@OlafS25

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Yes but MUI is not the (or at least one next to Reaction) official supported GUI-toolkit, it was (and is) done by developers outside (as far as I know).


MUI is part of OS4 since first 4.0 prerelease. If I remember correctly, Hyperion has access to MUI source code (for MUI3.9 bugfixes).

Quote:
People have to wait for Amiwest...


Hopefuly this year.

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KimmoK 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 10:38:50
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@pavlor

"Today, best Office support has AROS x86: MS Office in DosBox"

I would prefer OO on AEROS or MS office natively on AEROS (via wine).

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pavlor 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 10:56:23
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@KimmoK

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I would prefer OO on AEROS or MS office natively on AEROS (via wine).


AEROS is Linux with hosted AROS desktop. I can use Windows with UAE for that purpose.

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 10:59:33
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@pavlor

As long as we do not find a billionare investing in the market aeros is the best bet to get modern software or use what we have.

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pavlor 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 11:03:27
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@OlafS25

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As long as we do not find a billionare investing in the market aeros is the best bet to get modern software or use what we have.


I will rather use what I have.

I hoped to buy OS4 netbook for my birthday, it seems I shall wait a little bit longer.

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Swoop 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 11:15:28
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@OlafS25

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MUI on AOS could be improved and would be of great benefit for all OS4 users.

My understanding is that stephan, or morphos developers, won't release/port MUI4 to OS4, and hence we are stuck with mui3.8, plus kase1, and denill's tweaks.
As for reaction, that always was the OS gui kit, mui was always 3rd party.

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 11:20:49
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@Swoop

No they do not release the source. But that stops nobody to reimplement it. And I know that Reaction was the toolkit introduced with 3.5/3.9 but in reality MUI is established as GUI standard because it is available for all platforms. How many applications with Reactions GUI are there? So it would be best to support the standard instead of trying to go the own way and force developers to decide if they want to support AOS or the rest.

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
Posted on 6-Aug-2012 11:25:34
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@OlafS25

But MUI still also shareware under OS4 so it will never be the default toolkit

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Re: OS4 Netbook in 2012?
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@pavlor

>>I would prefer OO on AEROS or MS office natively on AEROS (via wine).
>AEROS is Linux with hosted AROS desktop. I can use Windows with UAE for that purpose.

Yes but most prefer to host on something else than MS OS.
To hide the other OS one can do tricks with XP to boot directly to UAE, yes. But MS apps do not run inside Amiga environment.
To my understanding in AEROS you have everything running in Amiga environment, you do not need linux window manager or windows to run MS office on AEROS.
(IMO: C= USA should get AEROS if they want to be Amigalike with their "Amigas".)

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