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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 13-Jul-2013 21:55:27
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TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, IN NO EVENT WILL SPOTIFY, ITS OFFICERS, SHAREHOLDERS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, DIRECTORS, SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES, SUCCESSORS, ASSIGNS, SUPPLIERS OR LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR (i) ANY INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, EXEMPLARY OR CONSEQUENTIAL (INCLUDING LOSS OF USE, DATA, BUSINESS, OR PROFITS) DAMAGES, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SPOTIFY SERVICE, THIRD PARTY APPLICATIONS OR THIRD PARTY APPLICATION CONTENT, REGARDLESS OF LEGAL THEORY, WITHOUT REGARD TO WHETHER SPOTIFY HAS BEEN WARNED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THOSE DAMAGES, AND EVEN IF A REMEDY FAILS OF ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE; (ii) AGGREGATE LIABILITY FOR ALL CLAIMS RELATING TO THE SPOTIFY SERVICE, THIRD PARTY APPLICATIONS OR THIRD PARTY APPLICATION CONTENT MORE THAN THE AMOUNTS PAID BY YOU TO SPOTIFY DURING THE PRIOR THREE MONTHS IN QUESTION.
This is a whole lot of legal bluffing in most countries ...
TOS is not he "source" in this matter ... "source" would be contract law of any given country and many of these don't even acknowledge "clickable" TOS as a contract so Spotify couldn't use TOS to defend themselves courts of those countries ...
Main purpose of TOS is for them to have the ability to withhold their services to users who breaks it ...
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You can talk to any lawyer in your country about this and ask him what would be legal concerns on the Spotify side that could cause them not to be willing to do a port ... Explaining to them situation of AmigaOS 4 platform in a way that they realize that they don't stand virtually no legal risk would probably be enough to remove their concerns ... Last edited by blizz1220 on 13-Jul-2013 at 10:16 PM.
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 13-Jul-2013 22:09:15
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This is a whole lot of legal bluffing in most countries ... |
I would like to see some proof of that and how it is relevant for an amiga OS4 port.
P.S. Spotify is useable in these countries._________________
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 13-Jul-2013 22:19:07
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I answered by editing previous post ... |
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 13-Jul-2013 22:22:19
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in any case they must offer support to their customers, f.e. solve a problem when it not works on a computer (or not more). That is a little difficult if the technicians do not know the OS and the hardware. Last edited by OlafS25 on 13-Jul-2013 at 10:26 PM.
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 13-Jul-2013 23:03:34
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This is not 'Terms of service' but 'Terms and Conditions of Use', as you dont buy anything, its about the license you accept by using spotify.
Edit: that answer is proof of nothing.
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If there is any legal liabilities relevant to an amiga port, spotify is the ones that knows.
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 13-Jul-2013 23:08:44
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in any case they must offer support to their customers, f.e. solve a problem when it not works on a computer (or not more). That is a little difficult if the technicians do not know the OS and the hardware. |
And with a properly written guide about problems and problem solving on OS4 that is not relevant._________________
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 13-Jul-2013 23:22:18
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This is not 'Terms of service' but 'Terms and Conditions of Use', as you dont buy anything, its about the license you accept by using spotify. Edit: that answer is proof of nothing. |
When you buy anything you are creating "buy-sell" contract between you and the seller and the obligations of the seller are dictated by law and correspond to your rights of a buyer (licence is something different than right or obligation). I didn't try to prove anything but the fact that Spotify , like any other company selling it's product , has legal issues it has to deal with ... They are no different for Windows , Mac OS X or AmigaOS 4 ... |
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 13-Jul-2013 23:58:16
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| Looks like the "arm chair lawyers" are at it again! Do you guys really think that if there was an un authorized Os4 port that the Spotify attorneys would come after it legally? lol |
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 0:40:36
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Can you clearly state what possible legal obligation that Spotify would be bound by that would be an obstacle to a port for AmigaOS4 or similar. |
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 1:07:23
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hard to defend the guy, but if the program was open source to start with, id see much less obstacles. clear now? |
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 1:28:54
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There are some fairly obvious obstacles due to the closed source nature and comercial value of Spotify IP but I don' see how consumer protection would be an issue that would prevent a particular portfrom going ahead. Last edited by Rob on 14-Jul-2013 at 01:32 AM.
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 6:57:18
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| I think it's pretty nice of them to work on this and all, but honestly the Spotify client in my mind is sort of crap.
The service is amazing however.
The client though, every single time I would run it, there was a new version and it had to reinstall before running just to listen to a song.
I only use the web version now as it is way faster and much more convenient. Maybe it has less feature? I don't know it seems to do everything like search for any songs, playlists, and radio. Pretty everything I use so...
Seems like it would be a much better use of resources as far as time, donated systems, money, etc getting a browser to the point that it could use the Spotify website. _________________ A3000D (16mhz, 2MB Chip, 4MB Fast, SCSI (300+MB), SuperGen Genlock, Kick 3.1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back in my day, we didn't have water. We only had Oxygen & Hydrogen, & we'd just shove 'em together |
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 8:42:08
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| @AmigaHeretic Yes! As the situation is right now it's a much better solution. That wasn't a solution when we started, and when Spotify ran into trouble with compiling libspotify on AOS4 they started to fiddle with a slimmed engine written in pure C. Then I don't know if they ran into problems again or just ran out out of time.
A Web based client solves all this problems.
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 9:06:05
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A Web based client solves all this problems. |
It would remove a whole lot of legal concerns too ... In fact , almost all of them ... |
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 12:15:48
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Then you really don't use it often.
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AmigaHeretic wrote: I think it's pretty nice of them to work on this and all, but honestly the Spotify client in my mind is sort of crap.
The service is amazing however.
The client though, every single time I would run it, there was a new version and it had to reinstall before running just to listen to a song. |
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 12:16:26
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And the web based client needs Flash, right?
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Skuggan wrote: @AmigaHeretic Yes! As the situation is right now it's a much better solution. That wasn't a solution when we started, and when Spotify ran into trouble with compiling libspotify on AOS4 they started to fiddle with a slimmed engine written in pure C. Then I don't know if they ran into problems again or just ran out out of time.
A Web based client solves all this problems.
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 20:20:37
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duga wrote: @AmigaHeretic
Then you really don't use it often.
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Wow you know me so well. Are you spying on me? A little creepy.
To be honest I admit thinking about the feeling of always updating could be little jaded by the fact that at home it's used on 4 computers -> 2 desktops & 2 laptops. One at the desk, Living room, laptop in the kitchen, and another laptop that is used all around the house.
But my main point still stands there was always updating and restarting going all of the time. Plus it's not the fastest loading anyway even when there is not an update.
But play.spotify.com is always updated and loads instantly. So I find myself using the Spotify service now even more as I just click a bookmark and leave it running in a background tab. Where as with the actual client I often wouldn't bother with it if I just wanted to listen to a quick tune or two as it was more of a pain. Might just Youtube a tune to listen if it wasn't in my library.
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 20:35:05
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Skuggan wrote: @AmigaHeretic Yes! As the situation is right now it's a much better solution. That wasn't a solution when we started, and when Spotify ran into trouble with compiling libspotify on AOS4 they started to fiddle with a slimmed engine written in pure C. Then I don't know if they ran into problems again or just ran out out of time.
A Web based client solves all this problems.
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Exactly. It was pretty cool of them to even give recognition and try and also very cool to know there are Amigans over there high enough up to give a little life to a something like this.
But right, I was meaning, if someone were to step back and sort re-evaluate it now. It sounds like maybe trying to get a web browser up to par to run to use the web player would maybe make more sense. But I'm not really in the loop. That is just outside looking in.
Plus there obvious bonus of all the other things you get automatically too with having an even more advanced browser (or one we have already brought to more advanced state).
As far as the Flash question. I don't know if they use any flash or if is completely html5. Haven't even looked. Good question.
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 20:53:00
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| @duga Well they are using the flashplayer part of the code. I guess it is easier to protect their code that way. I guess they are working on a way to do this in HTML5 and then the problem will be solved.
Hmm...... Sorry. I go think somewhere else :). Be nice now because its better if we share ideas than pick on each other. :)
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Re: Spotify for the Amiga is a go Posted on 14-Jul-2013 22:10:14
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Still thinking. Just need to brainstorm with some fellow coders. :)
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