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AmigaBlitter 
Is IBM loosing his crown in the PPC and console market?
Posted on 5-Mar-2012 12:57:36
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http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/02/sony-playstation-4-will-be-an-x86-cpu-with-an-amd-gpu/

Rumors after rumors talks about AMD is the next big deal in the console CPU/GPU/APU

What you think about?

What for the future of PowerPC?

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Re: Is IBM loosing his crown in the PPC and console market?
Posted on 5-Mar-2012 13:04:49
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Is it about IBM? I think it is about PowerPC loosing another market...

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The previuos console generation processors supplier was IBM for every three companies.
Wii u still based on a powerful powerPC, while PS4 is rumored to be a Fusion chip provided by AMD. Not clear what chip will use the Xbox Next or 720 or whatever.

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Re: Is IBM loosing his crown in the PPC and console market?
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Big companies like Intel or AMD with their huge volumes can offer better packages (technology and price) than even IBM can. On the long run the trend will continue to X86 (and ARM perhaps on lowcost/low energy devices).

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I think that Arm is well placed for the future especially as it has transitioned into multi core with multi core gpu's. Low power is a big deal, look at the new Arm powered servers coming on line, that is crucial to the cost of running cliud datacentres.

Intel will be seriously concerned for the future, but x86 is around for a long time still.

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Posted on 5-Mar-2012 14:14:15
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It's not surprising at all. PowerPC cannot compete with the vibrant x86 and ARM.

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Posted on 5-Mar-2012 15:44:13
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If you look at the roadmap of Freescale and IBM, you can safely say that the POWER architecture is far from dead and is in fact more exciting that it has ever been since years with multi-core dual threaded CPU's from Freescale with improved VMX ("Altivec"), all in a single die with L2 and L3 cache and with numerous off-loading engines (just like the PA6T) and with TDP as low as 25W.

IBM's POWER CPU's still dominate their market segment by far but they are beyond the means of any "normal" user.

The multicore support design for AmigaOS allows support of all of these features over time starting in AmigaOS 4.2.

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I don't want slow PPC chip taking 25W. I want fast (faster than G5 2.5-2.7 GHz).
I don't want faster memory bus like in Sams where CPU is too slow to get more MB/s than in PegG4

Amigans don't need better CPUs, they need faster CPUs, anything new, which speed is below old G5 is not acceptable.

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The multicore support design for AmigaOS allows support of all of these features over time starting in AmigaOS 4.2.

This very sentence made my day! I wish I knew what it is all about, but to me it sounds so positive. Yep!

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The multicore support design for AmigaOS allows support of all of these features over time starting in AmigaOS 4.2.


Are you saying that the initial release of 4.2 will support both cores in the X1000 or is it likely to come with a later update?

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@rzookol

G5 not evolved. Consumed so much energy and so hot that Apple was literally impossible to implement in the range of laptops, not everything is speed, low power consumption is also interesting.

Freescale has continued with the development of chips, so it would not be surprising that the charge of managing all your car electrical system is a PowerPC processor (apparently has been quite used by the automotive sector). Even the fighter F-35 mounts a dual PowerPC,

As stated by Hyperion, PPC is not dead, another orbit is only.

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@rzookol

Once the second core is taken in use and PCIe is truly enabled, there starts to be more use for the memory bus.

Next PowerArchitecture chips should be 6x faster than G5.
According to Freescale the performance is compareable to i7.

12 hyperthreading cores, 3x 2Ghz DDR3 (192bit), PCIe x16 v3.0 (or x32?), 64bit, 12 Altivec units, etc... below 30W.
But it is expensive chip, similarly to PA6T, for superhighend system.

Something slower, like 2HT e6500 cores at 2.5Ghz is what we need for high end.

But. We need new low end HW, the netbook could be it. And something for mid-range, a mass production optimized HW (low cost 460ex design or APM86290 based).

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"The multicore support design for AmigaOS allows support of all of these features over time starting in AmigaOS 4.2."

We should have a rough public roadmap and it would be nice to see some more open communication about AOS4 evolution.

For example, if some new interested HW developer ask you about when SMP is enabled in AOS4, what do you answer? Is SMP available at the end of this year? When is it available for R&D needs?
(it's key information for next gen HW plans)

Or is the answer available only after the exchange of NDA papers...?

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The multicore support design for AmigaOS allows support of all of these features over time starting in AmigaOS 4.2.


Thank you for the reassuring words.

Can't wait to see future AmigaOS development.
Please, tell us more about.

I hope that Hyperion take care of numerous request about some sort of unifying strategy in order to increase the userbase.

Thnak you

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Title is misleading, as last Wii U uses PowerPC (and that is latest currently avail console).

No surprise those who commit to AMD (ATI) graphic solution will utilize its CPU+GPU integration and consoles should be brave to exploit it. nVIDIA has ARM + GFX solution, but yet AMD is chosen. This proves that purchase of ATI was a great step forward for AMD. We can just envy they don`t have PowerPC licence

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yes, but the last console generation PPC had the market all for it self. Now it will cover only 33%, if rumors are true. So the title is not misleading. PPC is on it's way down even on the market where it had complete monopoly just a few years ago.

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Why is it you're here on aw.net constantly making sure we know that PPC is dead ???

Do you see any OS4 users harrasing CUSA forums with x86 is dead posts all the time ??

You should quietly leave this forum to the people who belives in the path hyperion has chosen for AOS

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The previuos console generation processors supplier was IBM for every three companies.
Wii u still based on a powerful powerPC, while PS4 is rumored to be a Fusion chip provided by AMD. Not clear what chip will use the Xbox Next or 720 or whatever

What Sony and Microsoft will do we'll not know until the final product ships.

Current rumors for PS4 is indeed a GPGPU solution from AMD. That for sure means no PS4 this Christmas. Yeah my PS3 has at least 2 more years of good use. The thing I worry about is backwards compatibility. Sony will have to shift to rely less on CPU power and have a more GPU balanced approach.

Current rumor for Microsoft is an AMD GPU, probably one of the newest chipsets but redone in sometime next year and an updated PowerPC CPU. Supposedly this was part of the negotiations on making the newer SOC for the Xbox S. Personally the Xenon with a bit of an update will be fine. The 360 relies heavier on GPU computing than the PS3. So a new GPU with the power for Direct X 11.x makes more sense for them.

Target displays are 1080p TV sets. This won't change significantly over the next 7 years. Thus, Next Gen consoles will be evolutionary not revolutionary.

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they have been selling 21:9 tv's here for 3 years now , and they have a higher resolution, something like 2500 pixels wide.
I hope the next 2 consoles (xbox and Playstation) will look at whats after the 1920x1080p resolutions, as in... prepare their consoles for it as we know how the 1080p prepping for PS3 went and we also know how it took xbox360 3,5 years to get hdmi cable support.

but yes i agree with you, next generation will be more of an evolution rather than an revolution, or so it seems.

Wii proved that one can make 3 year old hardware (which was outdated even back then) and cheap tech popular so i am afraid that Sony and/or Microsoft will try to do the same.

I bought the PSVita on launch, wonderfull hardware and i love it but i do fear that this might be the last proper handheld ever being made.

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yes, but the last console generation PPC had the market all for it self. Now it will cover only 33%, if rumors are true. So the title is not misleading. PPC is on it's way down even on the market where it had complete monopoly just a few years ago.


Its the future, and not avail product, but have no doubts all consoles should go to AMD+ATI solution just because its cheap and mighty. And cheaper then PowerPC + separate ATI GFX which they used to use. But they don`t go Intel either. Its great victory for AMD and indicates PowerPC should go the same path, if possible.

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No doubt AmigaOS will go x86 in the end, its just not today.
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