@WolfToTheMoon

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never to be seen or spoken of again.

oh, even if not seen it will be spoken about again and again , as you can clearly see..

i start to suspect that the genuine characteristics of a "true amigan" is to proudly ignore whats within the reason and reach and to expect the impossible instead.

@ssolie

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@AmigaBlitter Let me make this perfectly clear. There will absolutely without any doubt will be ongoing collaboration with MorphOS and especially AROS. I think it is likely somebody has again taken my comments out of context and/or marched on thinking they know what I think without asking me first. We are wide open to collaboration. Period.

what about openamiga.net?

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*Really* good to have you back.

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@terminills


In your sig..
"The number of liars and thieves in this community is pathetic."
Does that mean more are needed?

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@terminills *Really* good to have you back.

I sense the sarcasm in that post. :)

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@terminills

is there something specific that happened here behind the scenes? was there something specific that has upset you?

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@terminills

Do you really believe he would admit that if he before has said the opposite?

Real honesty would be good to see for once...

instead i rather wonder, what does that matter, whatever he may said either in public or in private.

@Develin

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Develin wrote: Real honesty would be good to see for once...

We'll have none of that around here!

Sheeesh! Honestly, some people.

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@terminills

Funny, I was under the impression that 'in private' meant just that -- it's by definition supposed to be kept confidential? Regardless whether or not YOU think it should be 'out in the open', that's not your decision to make. Trying to call a person out on a public forum because of something you 'believe' to be this-or-that is both rude and gauche. Can we entertain the possibility that you misunderstood what was said?

Trying to force someone to do something they choose not to do is usually as successful as trying to herd cats -- a pointless exercise in futility and just serves to annoy the cats. Worse still if you're completely off-base to begin with.

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Also... if someone is having problems receiving and/or responding to messages -- either e-mails or Skype, then may I suggest the PM system in place on this site?

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terminills is not a guy to slap labels on where they do not belong. at least ive never witnessed him to do so.

@Yo

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Funny, I was under the impression that 'in private' meant just that -- it's by definition supposed to be kept confidential?

Don't worry, this is strictly between you and me and everyone I tell.

Seriously though, at least in Finland it's perfectly legal to record private conversations - as long as YOU take part in it personally. No need to even inform the other participants. I've recorded all-but-one of the discussions I have had in f.ex. employment office, and of course the non-recorded one happened to have the worst misinformation

And of course one question is, between whom such discussion might have been.

And yes, posting them without asking the other person can be considered rude. Almost as rude as "making two kinds of comments" on the same issue, based on who you are discussing with.

-EDIT-

Regarding (talks of) co-operation between the "camps" sometimes feels a bit like this picture - simply replace "city" with "Amiga community"

(of course it shouldn't be like that, can't just help the feeling that's closer to how things are)

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@Yo

"Private" here does not necessarily mean email, PM or direct conservation...

but nevertheless it is not important anyway if Hyperion or Steve Solie is interested in cooperation or not

Terminills has started the openamiga intiative and propably is disappointed by the reaction he obviously got and thus explains his reaction.

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@Jupp3

it would make sense to have a common API and standard (f.e. for RTG). Most in common is between MorphOS and AROS, AmigaOS (Hyperion) has gone its own way. The main problem is that there is not one commercial market but 3 (if you count 68k) 4 different hobby markets and most people stick at every price to their choice so no competition and no pressure by commercial developers. And this will not change as long as there is no commercial development. Next to stubborness of OS developers there are a lot of differences already under the hood so best what could be reached where a common set of standardized APIs. But I do not have much hope for that.

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@terminills

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what about openamiga.net?

a counter question: yes whats about it? what do you actually need ssolie for? okay, im not into registering on yet another site, but my proposal:

lets get common open source standards for amiga out of the door and make them factual cross platform standards. for instance improve zune over mui.

in particular there is necessity for amiga unified rtg api and implementation, since both existing (p96,cgx) are closed source not likely to open. make it cgx(3) compatible since p96 already is, make it binary compatible on 68k. aros cybergraphics is almost there i think, so polish it and there we go.

why i mention it? since there is currently at least one fpga project desperately in need of this (im aware of) and this was a showstopper all years long. how about that?

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Actually what would be needed is documentation on changes in the API as this would save time.

We all know each operating system is going to go in it's own direction as time progresses. However if we can keep some open standards available on each platform the application developers can expand their market.

We're not saying any of the operating systems need to do as we say but rather lets as a group get together and find a way to keep up with the operating systems themselves.

Also open doesn't always mean open source.

This is not an effort to bring the operating systems together, but a community effort, from the application developer community.

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afair there is even some effort on ssolie/os4 part in keeping the documentation of genuine amiga api open on the web:
http://wiki.amigaos.net/index.php/Main_Page
as well as os4 extensions if im not mistaken. of course best would be to keep such wiki divided in a genuine system section as well as parallel os4/mos/aros extension sections in kept sync especially for a sake of comparison.

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@wawa

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as well as os4 extensions if im not mistaken.

Current version of Amiga OS is baseline, wiki is not directly suited for older releases.