@Arko

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@SSolie Quote: We are wide open to collaboration. Period. Well this means you are not collaborating now.

I don't see wher it says, or implies that at all!

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At least something else than: "MorphOS is based on stolen AmigaOS4 code" or "AROS is probably illegal"

They do say elephants never forget, it should probably be amended to Amiga fans, but your not saying SSolie said this are you?

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@Arko

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At least something else than:

Decade old garbage?

@SSolie

Any thoughts about possible future of AmigaOS on 64 bit CPUs? Is it (im)possible to use more than 4 GB RAM and maintain compatibility with current OS3/OS4 applications?

@eliyahu

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even if X1000s were handed out for free

They were! I got mine for free. The condition was to get a free X1000 you had to pay $2,000 and be on the beta team!

@Hypex

i remember a story (or rather a review of an imaginary book) by stanislaw lem about the future society where every creative person had to pay to be allowed to publish his work rather than earn on it. supposed to suppress the flood of graphomanie like what we observe today on internet. actually a satire on real socialism and likely american sf writers association.

@ddni
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Hi Steven, how does the potential subscription model affect plans for the prepaid 4.2 update for X1000? Has the notional internal release for 4.2 slipped?

The subscription thing is only an idea at this point and nothing more. As for 4.2 there is no new public information on when it may be released.

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@Arko
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Well this means you are not collaborating now.

This is exactly the kind of useless drivel and malice that drives developers away.

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@pavlor
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Any thoughts about possible future of AmigaOS on 64 bit CPUs? Is it (im)possible to use more than 4 GB RAM and maintain compatibility with current OS3/OS4 applications?

Personally, I'm not going to worry about such things until it becomes a real problem. Our kernel experts will have to delve into that one when the time comes.

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@ssolie

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Let me make this perfectly clear. There will absolutely without any doubt will be ongoing collaboration with MorphOS and especially AROS. I think it is likely somebody has again taken my comments out of context and/or marched on thinking they know what I think without asking me first. We are wide open to collaboration. Period.

Really thats not my impression, happy to discuss though see what kind of collaboration, my confusion is on the "We are".

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@ssolie

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ssolie wrote: @Arko Quote: Well this means you are not collaborating now. This is exactly the kind of useless drivel and malice that drives developers away.

Yes, that's exactly what I thought when I read your "Non Offer" ... I'm not the guy who is driving developers away from AOS4.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Arko Quote: At least something else than: Decade old garbage?

No, but if you are really searching for an answere, you can always use Google.


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Is it (im)possible to use more than 4 GB RAM and maintain compatibility with current OS3/OS4 applications?

I think you know the AmigaOS API calls but there are simple answers for your question:

- New type of function calls could bring new APIs
- Some internal functions using RAM ( RAM-Disk, Caches ) might run in a memory area over 2GB, breaking the 2GB limit would not hurt most programs, because normal user programs don't access the Data on the RAM-Disk directly..

So ( Hyperion / SSolie ) could just say: “Yes it is possible”

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Swoop
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Quote: Well this means you are not collaborating now. I don't see wher it says, or implies that at all!

For a complete overview, you should go back to the earlier postings:

AmigaBlitter wrote:
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I was disappointed by the following: "Steve Sollie made it perfectly clear that there will never be any "collaboration" with MorphOS (or AROS) as he said basically what benefit or reward would that be to Hyperion..." Don't know how much is true about that. Personally i think that both Aros and Mos users share the same roots. Those "amigans" are people that have moved to another platform due to the several problems the platform itself faced in the past. They still "amigans" and i really hope (as many other) that in some way there will be a sort of union/reintegration by all parties.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36695&forum=16&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0#685617

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Let me make this perfectly clear. There will absolutely without any doubt will be ongoing collaboration with MorphOS and especially AROS. I think it is likely somebody has again taken my comments out of context and/or marched on thinking they know what I think without asking me first. We are wide open to collaboration. Period.

Source:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36695&forum=16&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#685674


Well this means you is no collaboration now.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

It is the same sorry all over again. Do you think Hyperion is this huge company with 100 workers working 12 hours a day ? Is it not obious that there are 3-4 people working there in spare time. Why you think the progress is so slow.
MorphOS and AROS progress much faster. I said it before and I say it again. Hyperion should have focused on software as they did before. Even now it is not to late ;)

@Arko

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There will absolutely without any doubt will be ongoing collaboration with MorphOS and especially AROS

This really is a silly argument but surely the word "ongoing" in Ssolie's answer must mean that there is collaboration now?

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@Arko

I really wonder what "ongoing collaboration" means then.

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"There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."

You don't have to shred his words into pieces. What ongoing means, what collaboration means, which exactly adjective did he use and what tense was the verb given in the sentence.

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@OldAmigan

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OldAmigan wrote: @Arko Quote: There will absolutely without any doubt will be ongoing collaboration with MorphOS and especially AROS This really is a silly argument but surely the word "ongoing" in Ssolie's answer must mean that there is collaboration now?

No ! because he he said "there will be" , so there is nothing today.


Well it was not me who posted this silly arguments. I just quoted them

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

"I didnt do anything wrong, I just tagged along!"

Has to be draining; no matter what you say and do, people will disect it and use it against you.

Ive read some of the flak Trevor and x1000 got a couple of years back and its amazing he managed to stay so cheerful.

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There will absolutely without any doubt will be ongoing collaboration with MorphOS and especially AROS

exactly an attempt on a pr statement that actually doesnt say anything in particular but lets the people to jump to conclusions that later on circulate as facts, but the original poster is not to call on it.

@nikosidis

"are 3-4 people working there in spare time."

During previous years it seems that there have been about 2 fulltime workers and up to 20 (spare time) contributors. (can be seen from the activities on SW version control system)

Anyway, when you start to rewriting graphics subsystem+implementing SMP+3D+supporting more NEW hw, no wonder it then goes to slowmotion if you observe from outside.

Anyway, same thing as usual. Enjoy what you have, or contribute somehow and not to worry about the rest. We have three variants proceeding (on 1/3 of te possible speed) after all.

btw... it would be nice to see "number of commits" per month (+average commits per month for the previous 12 months) reported on Hyperion AOS4 blog. IMHO, it might give enough "comfort" for the user community about the future releases & progress.

@collaboration

We know that AOS4 dev team has been looking for more developers/contributors to the team. Asking for help even? Perhaps also that is "collaborating". And perhaps ssolie meant that there is intention to strenghten the collaboration with AROS and others.

We know that pretty little co-operation has been seen so far. And I'm not sure if MOS and AOS R&D co-operation is possible at all during our lifetime. But AOS-AROS and MOS-AROS co-operations are more realistic.

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@nikosidis
Who should make os4 then, if they only makes games? You?

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