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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
Posted on 28-Oct-2012 16:57:59
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@clusteruk

I would love to see ArOS on rPi!

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@clusteruk

...Trust me, AmigaOS4 will no longer occupy any of my time.

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cough cough in that case please consider me the first in line to get your X1000

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
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@NutsAboutAmiga

I noticed the "if" and that was the only reason I didn't process about 7 ARs on you and asked for clarification.

Even if Steve was "naive", I have no reason to believe that his intentions were intended to hurt OS4/Hyperion and seem like nothing more than a fan showing off something they enjoy to a third party to drum up interest.

Yes, it might have been nice to ask Hyperion about if first, but I can easily understand why he might want to gauge interest from others first before going to Hyperion.

I've found myself in a similar position myself regarding a certain "Amiga" project and other third parties. Unfortunately nothing came of that either.

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
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@clusteruk

I hope you learned your lesson Steve. And I don't mean that in a bad way.
AROS should continue on it's own route just like it always has.
Mixing with other Amiga like OS'es is not going to go down well especially
since they aren't open sourced themselves. AROS is mature enough to stand
on it's own feet and it's unfair to the Aros project itself if we don't ever start
to believe in it.

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
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@clusteruk

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Trust me, AmigaOS4 will no longer occupy any of my time.


I really hope that won't be the case.

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
Posted on 28-Oct-2012 17:16:19
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@Manu

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I hope you learned your lesson Steve. And I don't mean that in a bad way.
AROS should continue on it's own route just like it always has.
Mixing with other Amiga like OS'es is not going to go down well especially
since they aren't open sourced themselves. AROS is mature enough to stand
on it's own feet and it's unfair to the Aros project itself if we don't ever start
to believe in it.

i absolutely agree. i'd love for AROS developers to work with AmigaOS developers so that standards for shared components can be agreed. the SVG icon format is a great example. but otherwise i really think AROS is strong enough to chart its own path and should.

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
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@Manu

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AROS is mature enough to stand on it's own feet and it's unfair to the Aros project itself if we don't ever start to believe in it.


Spot on!

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
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Manu wrote:
@clusteruk

I hope you learned your lesson Steve. And I don't mean that in a bad way.
AROS should continue on it's own route just like it always has.
Mixing with other Amiga like OS'es is not going to go down well especially
since they aren't open sourced themselves. AROS is mature enough to stand
on it's own feet and it's unfair to the Aros project itself if we don't ever start
to believe in it.


+1 (& don't forget I'm 1'st in line for your X1000 )

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@eliyahu

+1

When I understand Solie right it is possible to agree on common standards that would make life of users (and developers) easier. I think that is a good starting point. Steve is of course disappointed because he thought using the optics of AOS would create excitement at Hyperion and the opposite happened. When we all finally agree that there exist different successors of the old classic platform and work together where it is benefical for all of us then it would be a real progress.

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the vulture is already waiting for his X1000

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OlafS25 wrote:
@klx300r

the vulture is already waiting for his X1000


tongue n cheek because I know Steve is an amigan first, politics second type of guy like many of us here.

I use both OS4.1 & AROS & I like both of them & wish they could be one & the same.

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@clusteruk

I would love to see ArOS on rPi!


The AROS table at AmiWest had AROS hosted running on the Raspberry Pi already, in case you didn't know. It was an experimental release though, based on ABI v1.

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
Posted on 28-Oct-2012 19:10:28
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I have an updated build of AEROS for Pi but i skip the upload... as you could see in Clusteruk's video it is still a bit sluggish.

Bszilli (godfather of speedporting games to AROS) get's an Efika next week from me.
... with more apps/games it would make sense.
And as armhf build it makes even more sense.... so relax and stop drama... earth is still rotating : )

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
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I don't know the whole in's and out's here, but why on earth would Hyperion a company with a niche commercial product want to pitch it to a a open source community with a hardware platform that they won't ever likely support?





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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
Posted on 28-Oct-2012 20:11:39
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@clusteruk

Interesting project. Not only should Hyperion support this, they should be actively trying to port AOS to ARM/Pi, in my opinion.

But something I don't get... if the icons are no big deal, and you planned on different versions anyway, why did you drop the project? Why did you need support/permission or whatever from anyone?

If the Pi people were happy with an AROS port, isn't that all that mattered?

I don't see why Hyperion would need to be involved at all, if you drop their icons. Unless they are talking about some legal issues, ie. Amiga-like OS distributed with hardware... but this isn't the case here, and the Pi is hardly named an 'Amiga' anyway.

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 20:18:18
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@Akiko

I am sure that ClusterUK was just thinking that any advertisement of AmigaOS4.x, would be a good thing. Specially to ten's of thousands of computer enthusiasts that believe in exploring alternative operating systems and hardware platforms, like those who were interested enough to purchase a Raspberry Pi.

Many of these same people who have purchased the Raspberry Pi might become interested in something like AROS, or even investigate further and a small percentage of them might become interested in AmigaOS4.x. It is a long shot, but in a community as tiny as the Amiga community, every new member we can recruit is important to the success and continuation of the Amiga.

There is also a good chance that some of those thousands of Raspberry Pi buyers are former Amiga users, who have drifted away and are not aware that AmigaOS4.x even exists.

I think ClusterUK was just trying to raise awareness for both AROS and AmigaOS4.x at the same time, to many thousands of Raspberry Pi owners. ClusterUK has been very passionate about both AROS and AmigaOS4.x for a long time, and it is just a shame that this disagreement has dimmed, or killed off his passion for AmigaOS4.x. This is how we lose users and supporters and how our community continues to shrink ever smaller.

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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 20:27:31
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@clusteruk ........

I don't see why Hyperion would need to be involved at all, if you drop their icons. Unless they are talking about some legal issues, ie. Amiga-like OS distributed with hardware... but this isn't the case here, and the Pi is hardly named an 'Amiga' anyway.


I think ClusterUK tried to explain that just a few posts ago, when he mentioned the part about wanting to create a case for the Raspberry Pi that looked like an A3000 case. For that he might need approval, but not from Hyperion, as I would think that if anyone could still claim any copyright to the A3000 case image, it would not be Hyperion.

I might be wrong and it is not the A3000 case design that is causing any part of the problem, but if it isn't, then I hope he goes forward with the case design and production, so I can buy one of those A3000 looking Raspberry Pi cases.

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Re: My side of what happened with Raspberry Pi
Posted on 28-Oct-2012 20:37:03
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@amigadave

The case could be problematic, that crossed my mind too. But I don't see what that has to do with a Pi port, or Hyperion either.

If anyone owns the rights to the A3000 case, it'd be Amiga, Inc. Or Gateway. Or it could just be lost in the rights shuffle between the seemingly half a dozen rights owners over the years.

Perhaps it does come back to that old Hyperion-Amiga lawsuit, now that I think of it. By using an A3000 case, Hyperion may be saying it's the same as selling Amiga hardware with an Amiga-like OS, hence breaking the agreement where only Hyperion can sell an 'Amiga' with an Amiga-like OS? It seems like a bit of a stretch to me, but it's all I can think of. Otherwise, I see no reason to care what Hyperion says.


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Posted on 28-Oct-2012 20:46:23
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@clusteruk

I am not going to condem you in any way here.

@others

I just don't get it. What is the controversy?

OS Developers purposely make it possible for the user to change the look and feel of widows, desktop, icons, etc..

In AmigaOS4 we have several themes and many options to change the look and feel of the GUI. For example, the standard drawer icon has changed twice since I started using AmigaOS4. I happen to like the disk and drawer icons from one of the earlier versions (not the originals or the last ones). I also use Ken's icons for some of my programs. I also like square corners on the windows.

Does this mean I should stop showing AmigaOS 4.1 at the local computer club because I use a different theme than the official "vanilla" look and feel?

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