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amitv 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 11:39:57
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yes, please, join the forces

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
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SlayeR__ wrote:

I would like to promote this video from AmiWest 2012, it is on blip tv, which might not be supported on any of the OS's, a possible project to cooperate on?.

The link you posted works just fine on MorphOS using OWB, although I think one might have an hard time enjoying it on anything lower than a 1.25GHz G4 and a video card with supported overlay mode or equivalent. A first step to any collaboration would probably be drop all the superiority complexes and actually get to know a bit more about the various flavours, no?

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
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@jorit2

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every discussion about possibilities always ended up with .. "Yes but Amiga Inc ..."


To be fair to all parties who've made the point in various ways, would it be possible for you (without mentioning specifics) to say whether this impediment exists to this very day?

It might help to temper some of the ire concerning even recent paths not followed.

Yes, it seems obvious to most, but many here still believe Hyperion obtained freedom to do what they want as a result of the settlement.

If this can not be stated publically...np.

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 11:55:36
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@guruman

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The link you posted works just fine on MorphOS using OWB, although I think one might have an hard time enjoying it on anything lower than a 1.25GHz G4 and a video card with supported overlay mode or equivalent.


Nice to hear it works on Morphos, since i have none of the 3 OS's i have no way of knowing if you can watch the video on any of them.

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A first step to any collaboration would probably be drop all the superiority complexes and actually get to know a bit more about the various flavours, no?


A second step could be to stop reading between the lines, and second guessing people's motives.

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 11:55:43
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@jorit2

Hi Evert, now it is al clear to us.

One question for you, what do you think of
a combination of linux with amigaos?

Thanks, Dirk.

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
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@number6

perhaps if Hyperion (Ben H.) would say they are free to do this and are not allowed to do that (officially), f.e. if they are not allowed to change platform (to ARM/X86...). If they really agreed to that it would not be a very good settlement for them. Perhaps Evert (who knows the settlement) can give us more informations there.

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Yo 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 12:03:47
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@jorit2

I must interject this, Evert - I consider you an incredibly good sport about all this. PLUS no 'Cloak & Dagger' fal-der-al, how refreshing!

Thank you kindly for your honest and genuine responses, 'others' could (and should) take note and follow suit......

(/me coughs ever-so-politely.)

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pavlor 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
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@OlafS25

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f.e. if they are not allowed to change platform (to ARM/X86...). If they really agreed to that it would not be a very good settlement for them.


You mean this settlement?

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number6 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
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@OlafS25

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perhaps if Hyperion (Ben H.) would say


Again, according the settlement agreement it would not be possible for Ben to speak to this. He's not even allowed to refer to the company or individuals by name.

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 12:28:12
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@number6

from public announcement: "current or future hardware platform". It sounds like they "could" port it to other platforms but there were always rumors that they just stick to PPC because they are legally not allowed to port it. Would be interesting to hear if it is possible or not.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
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@OlafS25

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Would be interesting to hear if it is possible or not.

You think he's going to explain this before or after he gives a status update about the netbook?

(Edit: Typo)

Last edited by cgutjahr on 07-Apr-2013 at 01:19 PM.

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wawa 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
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@evert
thanks for insights and genuine try to convince worst naysayers. i wouldnt have so much patience.

@subject of hyperion being free or bound by contractual obligations to a.inc and therefore unable to take most convinient future path:

i think this is a non issue. we can treat it as a black box. whatever the reasons are, the only sane and practical choices obviously cannot be taken. this is all we have to face. the settlement obviously doesnt matter much one way or the other, and as long amiga is a matter of faulty compromises it has no chance to get anywhere. even if the heritage of the source code and the like is a nice thing to have and to take care ot, the only sane choice is to clean start over from the scratch. thats what i think..

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L8Knight 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 14:23:52
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@Hondo

@jorit2:

I think Hondo said it better than I could, but I completely agree with him. Thanks for sharing and for all your efforts.

--Barry Steenbergh

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 14:35:26
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@number6

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number6 wrote:
@jorit2

Quote:
every discussion about possibilities always ended up with .. "Yes but Amiga Inc ..."


To be fair to all parties who've made the point in various ways, would it be possible for you (without mentioning specifics) to say whether this impediment exists to this very day?

It might help to temper some of the ire concerning even recent paths not followed.

Yes, it seems obvious to most, but many here still believe Hyperion obtained freedom to do what they want as a result of the settlement.

If this can not be stated publically...np.

#6


I cannot .... and even if I could, I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to interfere with their communication policy and strategy, except when they start bullying you ... well you know that story ...

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 14:53:33
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@Yo

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 15:14:32
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Dirk-B wrote:
@jorit2

Hi Evert, now it is al clear to us.

One question for you, what do you think of
a combination of linux with amigaos?

Thanks, Dirk.


AROS offshoot dos this already

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Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 15:19:52
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And AmiCygnix.

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wawa 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 15:29:12
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@Dirk-B

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@jorit2 Hi Evert, now it is al clear to us. One question for you, what do you think of a combination of linux with amigaos? Thanks, Dirk.


not particularly appealing(at least to me), neither as amicygnix nor aeros. may be considered a emergency stop gap solution, but not a goal by itself. whatever course is going to be taken amiga philosophy need to be maintained in some way or must be dropped altogether. faulty compromise must be seen as what it is: a compromise.

Last edited by wawa on 07-Apr-2013 at 03:29 PM.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 15:46:52
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@jorit2

It does not, it means that Jorit2 might have downloaded the image from letshavealook.info and changed it, Jorit2 does not need access to letshavealook.info to download a publicly availabile image and so the howis record on letshavealook.info is there for irrelevant. Jorit2 might have found letshavealook.info by googling.

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How do I know that you are indeed Kjetil Hvalstrand ?


http://lifeofliveforit.blogspot.no/p/excalibur.html

Because It says so on my blog
I also referencer to my nick and name in software I upload to OS4Depot.net.

So there is at lest two sources of information that links my user name to real name, and you can check the webarchive to see that I did not just recently change my about page.

But you never know if some one is posting as me, some one might easily take over my user account, and does not matter that I have long posting history on this web page.

And if you like you can contact me on Skype I can even put up live web cam for you, so I really do not have identity problem.

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wawa 
Re: Evert Carton speaks
Posted on 7-Apr-2013 15:58:29
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@NutsAboutAmiga

i dont know it its only me, but looks like you ve got stuck in argument. take it easy. it starts to be boring.

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