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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 18-Jul-2013 18:09:37
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He says he does have a "license" - which might be true, everybody who buys a copy of AmigaForever does have a license. Contrary to what his website still claims, he does not have an agreement with Cloanto though. He apparently plans to buy copies of AmigaForever somewhere, then resell them to his own customers - if somebody ever orders from him. |
This is you talking or MCB of Cloanto ? |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 18-Jul-2013 18:11:50
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I'm more curious of claims on Hyperion , A-Eon and A-Cube sites that AmigaOS 4 and Boing Ball _are_ registered trademarks ...
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Please link to any claims on said websites that "AmigaOS (4)" or "BoingBall" are registered trademarks. I don't think there are any.
A trademark doesn't have to be registered to be protected - simply using it in commerce is enough to gain the rights to that mark. For example, A-EON's website states that "AmigaOne and Boing Ball are valid trademarks" - that is a perfectly valid statement, no matter if these trademarks are registered or not. |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 18-Jul-2013 18:11:58
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and from what I hear (rumours), he got cease&desist orders for both attempts. |
Minor correction. It was mentioned in an open irc channel #team*amiga. I therefore consider it public information. But other than the mention of both Amiga Inc. and Hyperion, I don't recall any other details offered.
Someone could confirm that through the channel logs.
Actually people have been throwing around the term more often lately and the content does not seem to match, so I'll just remind people that these are just words. I realize people love to take a few words and create a narrative from them, but I don't suggest it.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 18-Jul-2013 18:13:59
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Yes , I'm aware of that ... Heh ... US is a strange land when it comes to business and law
I really need someone to answer simple question here :
Can anyone verify claims on Hyperion , A-Eon and ACube sites that AmigaOS 4 (R) and Boing Ball (R) is a registered trademark and if so where ? EDIT: Timing was almost exact for the answers Last edited by blizz1220 on 18-Jul-2013 at 06:15 PM.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 18-Jul-2013 18:46:26
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For one ... I did read that "AmigaOS 4 and Boing Ball" trademarks are registered treademarks blah blah on Hyperion's site some time before too ...
Now it seems to be gone forever ...
A-Eon only claimed to be using them under licence , and only that they're "valid" , you're right there ...
Problem is that if nobody has them registered (it's not that much work / money for a company to do so) then how can you really approach such company and ask for the licence ?
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I know I wouldn't ...
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=software&pid=1
Copyright states 2001 - 2008 all stuff is owned by people who own stuff ...
I talked to a friend of mine who is a copyright lawyer and he took a look at situation and laughed ... He said that it is a jungle created on purpose to protect all companies that have any- thing to do with AmigaOS 4 and prevent anyone else to try and take anything away ... You would need to hire professionals to get to the bottom of who gets to use what and why and in which country ...
Thanks for the info ... Last edited by blizz1220 on 18-Jul-2013 at 06:56 PM. Last edited by blizz1220 on 18-Jul-2013 at 06:47 PM.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 18-Jul-2013 18:55:45
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Ah, different situation - I assumed you were referring to the US. Note how the site states "registered in the USA and other countries" - that's a valid statement again, because "AmigaOS" and the Boing Ball are actually still registered trademarks in Germany for example.
Check the PDF file #6 linked to for more information.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 18-Jul-2013 19:02:03
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Yes ... Took me some time to read it though ...
I answered above ...
Can you provide some link / evidence that Boing Ball is a registered trademark in Germany ?
Also "AmigaOS 4" is just not registered anywhere ... It's only used by company going bankrupt fast so I guess if Ben hits the ground it will be Trevor that takes his place because after all he is using them ...
And England is one of the few Common Law legal systems , especially in Europe ...
Last edited by blizz1220 on 18-Jul-2013 at 07:06 PM. Last edited by blizz1220 on 18-Jul-2013 at 07:05 PM. Last edited by blizz1220 on 18-Jul-2013 at 07:03 PM.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 18-Jul-2013 19:17:41
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As for Cloanto situation Roberto made no false statement when he said he can sell his bundle in agreement with Cloanto as far as I know ... Cloanto didn't ask him to stop selling it as far as I know ...
I really think that all of Amiga people should ask _all_ companies involved in this to make a clear statement that they will not sue Aros,Morphos and even AmigaOS 4 developers and users for doing anything that would only benefit everyone including their companies ...
I heard none of them make such statements except maybe Roberto but he's still a new kid on the block ... |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 8:03:38
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something new on os4online.com
"Now, refurbished PowerPC Macs. These machines have life left in them, as leases end and those machines become part of our Green strategy. We will be taking in PowerBook G4's, Mac minis and G5's. Until OS/4 PowerLinux becomes available we will ship those systems by default with MorphOS. Which is another Amiga like operating system. Its very elegant, very powerful and even more modern than the current release of AmigaOS 4.1. " |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 9:21:03
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Ah, different situation - I assumed you were referring to the US. Note how the site states "registered in the USA and other countries" - that's a valid statement again, because "AmigaOS" and the Boing Ball are actually still registered trademarks in Germany for example.
Check the PDF file #6 linked to for more information.
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Interesting that in the above link the rainbow colored Checkmark (original Amiga logo) isn't listed anywhere. To the best of knowledge, this subject wasn't brought up also during all legal battles that Amiga Inc got involved. Was it owned by Commodore and now belongs to another IP holder?Last edited by Cool_amigaN on 19-Jul-2013 at 09:23 AM. Last edited by Cool_amigaN on 19-Jul-2013 at 09:23 AM.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 9:22:51
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OlafS25 wrote: @blizz1220
something new on os4online.com
"[...] Until OS/4 PowerLinux becomes available we will ship those systems by default with MorphOS. Which is another Amiga like operating system. Its very elegant, very powerful and even more modern than the current release of AmigaOS 4.1. " |
LOL
Com'on he is just trolling. Though, as a user, I agree with his statement, I believe he is doing it purposely. In any case, he made my day xD_________________
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 9:29:30
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Can you provide some link / evidence that Boing Ball is a registered trademark in Germany ? |
I'm sure cgutjahr can back up what he says.
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Also "AmigaOS 4" is just not registered anywhere ... It's only used by company going bankrupt fast |
Since you're such a stickler for proof, I guess you can show us Hyperion's accounting information. |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 9:30:52
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 10:28:49
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MorphOS user will agree on that (AmigaOS user propably not) |
I think they are fairly evenly matched in terms of modernity. MorphOS has a browser that does youtube and Amiga OS4 has support for newer video card (no 3D yet) but other than that there is not much to separate them.
MorphOS of course is more optimised but in real use they both seem pretty snappy. |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 10:53:27
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Now, refurbished PowerPC Macs. These machines have life left in them, as leases end and those machines become part of our Green strategy. We will be taking in PowerBook G4's, Mac minis and G5's. Until OS/4 PowerLinux becomes available we will ship those systems by default with MorphOS. Which is another Amiga like operating system. Its very elegant, very powerful and even more modern than the current release of AmigaOS 4.1. " |
As it indicates certainity of OS/4 Linux PowerPC I can greet that, as well as if it provides a centralized shop for PPC Macs in good condition, its nice for MorphOS users_________________ Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way! |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 11:39:39
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rainbow colored Checkmark [...] Was it owned by Commodore
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A word mark ("Amiga") is easy to check - you just search the relevant (public) databases for the string in question and get a list of results. The checkmark is a "design mark" though, and it's not that easy to find using a text based search engine.
You can check the database for all marks owned by (say) Amiga Inc., or you can try to search for keywords that might have been used to describe the design mark. I did both and didn't get any hits - but that doesn't prove it was never registered (the legal clerk at Commodore might have used a different description, for example).
I'm 95% sure the checkmark is not a registered trademark, and 100% sure that Amiga Inc. doesn't own it. |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 12:10:25
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A word mark ("Amiga") is easy to check |
easy to check perhaps, but the results will likely refer to computers in least cases;) |
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 13:15:44
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If the fellow who claimed trademarks and licensing was his field (who posted on AW before) is correct, then it's extremely possible that things are different than what most people "want" to believe.
The never proven claim of CUSA's right to enforce was deemed highly significant. The contention was that either (1) Amiga Inc was poorly advised or (2) Amiga Inc. had no intention of enforcing the rights themselves.
This, in turn, makes the rumors about "cease&desists" significant. Knowing -who- they came from becomes perhaps more telling than the content itself.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 13:50:33
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I'm sorry for barging in this thread, could you elaborate? I wasn't following this situation, who sent "c&d" to whom? _________________
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community Posted on 19-Jul-2013 13:56:49
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I'm sorry for barging in this thread, could you elaborate? I wasn't following this situation, who sent "c&d" to whom? |
To save you reading these threads, we're just talking about the term being thrown around by many individuals. Some folks insist this kind of paperwork had to have been issued, due to the constant changes Mr. Dohnert has made to his website since this began.
What I mentioned above is only pertinent (to me) in the case of both knowing for fact who -does- have the enforcement rights and in knowing the issuing party of any such C&Ds, if in fact they were issued.
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