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kamelito 
Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
Posted on 11-Jul-2013 16:23:05
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@olegil

IIRC it was because of PIII performances per watts so it could be used in laptop.
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Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
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Read about the Durango, very much Amiga like.

These are today Custom Chips :)

http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-display-planes/

http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/

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Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
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... nothing in the Xbox or Ps4 is custom only some small parts... the only 2 console customs today are the Nintendo 3ds and the WiiU ...
About your ask to Mr Trevor , i dont understand what you are asking ? that him have to make an X3000 with and Intel cpu and Invidia GPU?... if you need something like this you can go in your prefer PC shop and buy an PC, and not an AmigaNG system.

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@tlosm

Well the display planes are todays "dual" playfields that good that they're not custom that mean we can have them :)

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that last mac's used the 7448.


Original Macs never used 7448. There are 3rd party cpu upgrade cards that used 7448 though (Newer Technology).

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Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
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@kamelit0

"dual" playfields

Can be done whit two or more scrolling textures on modern graphic cards.

You can also do it by OR'ing two or more 8bit bitmaps on to etch other, to get the same effect

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Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
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Not really. The reason the P4 used so much power was the ridiculous frequencies it had to run at to perform well. The P3, M and Core range didn't get up in the 3-4GHz domain, but then again they didn't need to to outperform the P4. So the main reason was performance per clock. The P3 pipeline with the P4 memory interface was a sure winner.

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@olegil

True, I stuck with the Dothan series with 2MB cache while P4 went through its pointless lifespan (at great prices being an older generation chip at the time), both in laptop and desktop format.
Before that I used Coppermine - again with a (relatively) large cache.

Both seemed to hold up well to supposedly 'next generation' intel-based machines.

It pays to research the state of the art thoroughly when speccing out a self-build PC.

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Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
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@Thread

Coud we get back on topic ? Why are we now talking about PC performances ? Who cares ?

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Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
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Coud we get back on topic ? Why are we now talking about PC performances ? Who cares ?


We compared G5 to G4 performance - then with example of similar case of PIII vs P4. More on topic question would be: How fast is P5020 in Cyrus? I don´t know about any benchmark results of P5020 except DMIPS value on Freescale page. There are coremark scores for PA6T, 970, e500, e500mc and e6500 cores, but not for e5500 (as in P5020). If one e5500 core 2 GHz is as fast as one e6500 core (one thread) 1.8 GHz, then Coremark for P5020 could be 7500 (one core) and 15000 (both cores). That would be surprisingly high value in comparison to other PowerPC CPUs:

CPU - - - - - - MHz - - - - - -CM - - - - - CM/MHz
405 - - - - - - 300 - - - - - - 664.79 - - - 2.22
PA6T - - - - -1800 - - - - - 3000.00 - - 1.66*
Cell - - - - - - 3200 - - - - -3099.09 - - 0.97
MPC8572 - 1500 - - - - - 3619.04 - - 2.41
970 - - - - - - 1800 - - - - -3988.83 - - 2.22
P2041 - - - -1500 - - - - - 4655.00 - - 3.10
T4240 - - - -1800 - - - - - 7490.12 - - 4.16
P5020 - - - -2000 - - - - - 7500.00 - - 3.75*

(All scores calculated to one core/thread performance. Note: PA6T and P5020 scores are my estimate. There was PA6T score on the Coremark page - cca 2750 at 1.7 GHz - but I can´t find it now; real value for single core/thread of e6500 core in T4240 would be probably higher, I simply divided score for 24 threads by 24)

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tlosm 
Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
Posted on 14-Jul-2013 14:28:23
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Sorry Pavlor the 970 is the g5 CPU?

In all the case if the 5020 have 15000 MIPS In 4 core version we will have a super computer machine comparable with the powerful xenon mac servers :-O ...
Mac benchmark

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Yes, but only in Linux until we get SMP support in AmigaOS,

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@tlosm

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970 is the g5 CPU?


Yes. G5 had 3 generations (I think): 970, 970FX (lower TDP) and 970MP (bigger L1 and L2 cache, dualcore).

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In all the case if the 5020 have 15000 MIPS In 4 core version we will have a super computer machine comparable with the powerful xenon mac servers :-O ...


Coremark certainly is not directly comparable to Geekbench. I don´t think e5500 core is faster than Core/Core2 core with the same clock speed. It could score (at best) around 1700 in Geekbench (single core) or 2900 (dual core) - all my estimates. Real values will be probably closer to G5 2 GHz (1094 single core, 1733 dual core).

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tlosm 
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@pavlor

in all the case 2 core will gave good performances thanks to our os ... thanks for explanation :)

Next days probably will have great news ... this meeting Acube/Aeon/MCB ... probably will define the next step in amiga computing :)

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@tlosm

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in all the case 2 core will gave good performances thanks to our os ... thanks for explanation :)


Without doubt. Fast 64 bit CPU is important, but Cyrus offers much more:
DDR3 memory
PCIe 2.0 (eg. for PCIe 2.0 x1 cards for USB3.0 or SATA3)


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Next days probably will have great news ... this meeting Acube/Aeon/MCB ... probably will define the next step in amiga computing :)


I only hope price will be right (hint: under 2000 USD).

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tlosm 
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Posted on 14-Jul-2013 18:14:16
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@pavlor

I hope 1500 Euro for the 2 core and 2000euro for the 4 core :P :P :P

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Re: A-EON Project "CYRUS"
Posted on 14-Jul-2013 18:29:00
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@pavlor

i hope its available for all Amiga-Dealers.......

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NutsAboutAmiga 
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Posted on 14-Jul-2013 19:23:15
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@netrot

I don't know where its produced, but I think it might be produced in England, but anyway AmigaKIT does ship to all corners of earth.

This is really great mews for AmigaOS4, now lets hope SMP support is ready for AmiWast.

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Posted on 14-Jul-2013 19:28:09
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@NutsAboutAmiga

i know that...but i dont like to buy any system in another country, warranty issues etc....

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Rob 
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Posted on 14-Jul-2013 20:22:09
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@pavlor

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Coremark certainly is not directly comparable to Geekbench. I don´t think e5500 core is faster than Core/Core2 core with the same clock speed


I think the makers of coremark said the benchmark can be optimised and therefore be used as a compiler benchmak as well as hardware. Some of the scores may be the result of binaries optimised to different levels.

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