@TrevorDick

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It was a Commodore tradition to add a B52 song title to the motherboard.

Considering all the travelling you do, is it time for "Roam" around the world?

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@TrevorDick

Well I didn't know about this tradition that's for sure. But it's a funny tradition. I can somehow imagine all the nerds in Jay Miners lab dancing around to these songs haha

But the "snippets" you mention from Amiwest...hmm never saw those

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@Hondo

Comment on B52 Breezin choice for X2000 board

Sounds way too happy hippy for my taste, but I am sure there will be a lot of remixes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GlJbgEWSQ0

Nice message, too ...

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@Hondo

Cyrus hints, pictures and teasers was the on the official A-EON Facebook page for the last few months in many different places.


Amiga 500: B52's song on silkscreen "Rock Lobster"
Amiga 600: B52's song on silkscreen "June Bug"
Amiga 1200: B52's song on silkscreen "Channel Z"
Amiga CD32: B52's song on silkscreen "Spellbound"
AmigaOne X1000: B52's song on silkscreen "Keep This Party Going"
Cyrus: B52's song on silkscreen "Breezin'"

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Cyrus: B52's song on silkscreen "Breezin'

Aah, i thought that it had something to do with Trevors Amiga shoes.

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The picture of the shoes was altered as a hint to the board.

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Cyrus hints, pictures and teasers was the on the official A-EON Facebook page for the last few months in many different places.

I know there were hints, but the only picture i have seen of cyrus was the small MB trevor flashed recently. Thats why i didn't get it.

Oh and the one with the shoes was far fetched me thinks. You guys have to start making proper riddles which can get the community working. I loved the X1000 riddles...brilliant stuff!

You should do that with every new machine, and make a new tradition

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It's pretty great that Trevor's guys are working on new hardware, but the fundamental problem of lack of developer documentation is still with us... I don't think my 20 year old copies of "Libraries" and "AmigaDOS Inside and Out" are going to be much use beyond background reading material these days. The autodocs and PDFs that come with the OS4 DVD are some use, but AmigaOS is different enough from Windows, Linux and iOS that there's a steep learning curve. Trevor, surely you could work with Hyperion to remedy the situation? I've never published a book but I can't imagine the cost comapres to developing a brand new specialty motherboard from scratch.

@CodeSmith

Have you tried:

http://wiki.amigaos.net

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@amigakit

Thanks, that's a good start. I haven't done any amigaos coding since the 4.0 days (I got frustrated after repeatedly failing to do something - I forget what - which was trivial to do in both Windows and Linux so I basically rage quit), I'll see if I can get myself back up to speed. Hopefully what put me off back then's been fixed in the meantime

[edit] Heh, after a closer look it seems that wiki consists mostly of copypasta from the RKRMs (down to the sample device driver written in 68K assembler - hopefully that's not how Hyperion's writing them these days ) Ah well, at least it seems like some effort has been made to modernize it. If that's kept up and new OS features get documented as they get added, it should be enough I think.

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@amigakit

The problem with http://wiki.amigaos.net is where to start for a beginner.

There is no code for developing apps, from scratch, building on techniques and adding better features. That would make a great blog.

For example, how does DOS actually work, how does redirecting in DOS actually work ?

Can I for example run 3 DOS apps simultaneously and cross reference multiple search queries between them ? is that the correct way to code?

from a simple list command how to add plugin capability ?

Also no documentation on making games from scratch in C.

Have a read of the HeadFirst series of programming books, they are very easy to learn from.

http://headfirstlabs.com

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I got started way back when with a download from aminet called "the amiga C encyclopedia", it was an intro to amiga coding some fan wrote. It wasn't perfect and my already knowing C in Unix helped a lot, but it taught me a lot of the amiga-specific stuff. I see the wiki as something similar.

@Thread

No Altivec ? Big mistake IMHO. I'd rather buy a second hand A1-X1000 rather than Cyrus (even if it's faster, Altivec is the only SIMD sported by PowerPC and is a must have for hungy applications).

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@TrevorDick

What are those 60-pin QFP chips underneath the Silico Dreams banner on your blog?

I can see the markings:

CPU '12 3908-06 (or possibly 3080-06)
MRLU2365-C TAIWAN
2400MHz/4C/16M
0014351287-92-54

A quick googling reveals nothing form the markings, but my guess would be that it's the P5040 (from the '12 date mark, the 4C (no of cores) and the 2400MHz rating), but that seems to be a 1295-pin FC-PBGA package (entirely BGA, 36 x 36 @1mm pitch (-1 for keying)).

So what gives? Damn your infuriating hints...

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@Boot_WB

That's the silicon dreams logo, not trevors

http://www.silicondreams.org.uk/

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@olegil

Thanks Olegil, should have checked that earlier. D'oh!

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@K-L

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No Altivec ? Big mistake IMHO. I'd rather buy a second hand A1-X1000 rather than Cyrus (even if it's faster, Altivec is the only SIMD sported by PowerPC and is a must have for hungy applications).

Altivec only gives speed up on applications supporting Altivec most do not.

As calculated before the P5020 should be 36% faster (theoretically), and that’s not just for some application is it should be all applications.

I be happy to sell my AmigaONE-X1000 at full price or trade it for a AmigaONE-X2000, I don't know if how it's worth upgrading for unless get good deal, not willing to sell for 50% loss, nor wait months for AmigaONE-X2000.

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@Boot_WB

I would have that apophenia checked as well

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Are you sure x2000 will become available?
Perhaps they will sell only the x4000 model that trevor mentioned (5040 chip).

(but of course 5020 could serve mid range needs (x2000) while 5040 makes the high end (X4000))

@K-L

"No Altivec ? Big mistake IMHO."

IMHO, no. They used what was the best available last year. (just like PA6T for nemo, years ago)


Perhaps some T5xxx chip will be pin compatible with P5xxx.

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@KimmoK

It's already been mentioned that the final name for this board has not been decided, x2000 is just one of many possible outcomes. So best call it Cyrus for now, eh?

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