@Ami603

this isnt about os4 here.

@wawa

My fault, i assumed too much things.
No matter what, i'd assume AROS won't lack much either,if anything.

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@Ami603

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Ami603 wrote: @Minuous Quote: Why bother implementing this sort of thing when the OS3.9 API still isn't implemented, 13 years later? Maybe SMP is more fun for the devs to work on? Obviously they don't care about being useful for the users, or actually implementing the proper AmigaOS API. Tell me one single thing AmigaOS3.9 has that current state OS4.1 lacks, and that can be considered "proper" by your standards please.

Maybe you shouldn't post something proving that you are clueless?
AROS != AOS4.1

@itix

Yes and Exec uses Disable() (or rather a macro with that functionality). But would anything break if instead a semaphore or spinlock local to the messageport would be used? I can't imagine many people writing their own PutMSg()/ReplyMsg() routines and can't imagine any reason why anything in Exec would depend on interrupts being disabled.

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@megol

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Maybe you shouldn't post something proving that you are clueless? AROS != AOS4.1

A little bit rude on your side, considering that there are several posts about SMP regarding the other Amiga-like OS's, and that Hyperion also has SMP on their plans since quite a while as publically announced.
I agree i didn't read properly the thread and apologised already, so your post was a little bit uncalled for.

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@Ami603

I was talking about AROS, not OS4.1.

However, there is likewise OS3.9 functionality missing from OS4.1, which causes compatibility headaches. Eg. the effect clause for Installer.

It's very good that this gets attention regardless if it's going to work or not.
Once we know I think AROS again nevertheless served it's purpose, to be open and no bull*** behind closed doors.

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However, there is likewise OS3.9 functionality missing from OS4.1, which causes compatibility headaches. Eg. the effect clause for Installer.

aros remains behind genuine amiga os in many areas. there is nothing to quarrel about.

@Manu

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It's very good that this gets attention regardless if it's going to work or not. Once we know I think AROS again nevertheless served it's purpose, to be open and no bull*** behind closed doors.

exactly. as a community project, everybody can contribute to, it will prove it either way with no bs.

damn, yet again..

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must stop posting here i guess..

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@Minuous

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Minuous wrote: Why bother implementing this sort of thing when the OS3.9 API still isn't implemented, 13 years later? Maybe SMP is more fun for the devs to work on? Obviously they don't care about being useful for the users, or actually implementing the proper AmigaOS API.

Since implementing OS 3.9 API is not among the goals of AROS (implementing and enhancing 3.1 is, though), and since every device on earth - including telephones - are now multicore, I guess SMP has really more to do with "being useful for users" than OS 3.9 API full implementation has.

@paolone

>Since implementing OS 3.9 API is not among the goals of AROS (implementing and enhancing 3.1 is, though)

If they are going to settle for some arbitrary obsolete release, why not just settle for implementing eg. 2.0 or 1.3 then? That way they can spend even less effort making it actually support existing Amiga software and APIs, and more on implementing esoteric AROS-only features that are unlikely to ever be used.

>every device on earth - including telephones - are now multicore

Don't be silly, most desktops are not even multicore at present, let alone other devices. Of the four computers here, none of them are. (And no, they are not all old machines.) Neither are most phones. Hardly "every device on earth".

@Minuous

I would prefer 1.2. then

No seriously what are the 3.9. features that are missing and must be implemented? And if they are, then will all 68k, MorphOS and AmigaOS user start to use AROS?

I think not so the question is not if everything from 3.9. is implemented but what features are needed to win new users outside the existing community. And where can Aros get ahead of AmigaOS and MorphOS that both can integrate 68k code (f.e. libraries) more easily. And one of these features certainly is SMP, if all devices already have several cores or not.

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Don't be silly, most desktops are not even multicore at present, let alone other devices. Of the four computers here, none of them are. (And no, they are not all old machines.)

Haven't seen a single-core machine for ages, but well, that's just me (plus all people I know in person ). Found some interesting numbers on Steam though, from that at least it looks like paolone is on the right track:
Steam hardware survey

Regarding mobile devices: the trend to multi-core is more than obvious here too - and not just since yesterday. The iPhone alone is multi-core since 2 years now. The minimum hardware requirement for a Windows Phone 8 device is a dual-core CPU, so here it is even mandatory for hardware manufacturers to go multi-core...

Hell, if even a well-known Amiga-machine is multi-core by now, that could be a hint that the rest of the world is maybe already on that train for quite some time
So all in all I don't think paolone's statement is too silly, maybe a bit exaggerated, but not that much

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@Minuous

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Don't be silly, most desktops are not even multicore at present, let alone other devices. Of the four computers here, none of them are. (And no, they are not all old machines.) Neither are most phones. Hardly "every device on earth".

Go to dell.com and show us all the single core CPU systems being offered. The cheapest devices are with Snapdragon S4 and Celeron G1610T which are both dual core CPUs according to Wikipedia.

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Haven't seen a single-core machine for ages

Also of the few systems in (desktop) use nowadays that are NOT multicore, many support hyperthreading. While not "real", they (generally) appear to operating system as "double the amount of real cores". F.ex. the old Intel Atom system I am currently using is dual core and has hyperthreading => 4 cores for the OS.

And yes, I know this is also rather new technology. Been on the market only a bit over decade.

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@Minuous

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If they are going to settle for some arbitrary obsolete release, why not just settle for implementing eg. 2.0 or 1.3 then?

because 3.1 was a last major stable release? the 3.5 and 3.9 are rather cosmetic upgrades, the concepts and api already available on 3.1 only perhaps not so developed? actually aros68k implements a lot beyond 3.1 and feels rather than enhanced 3.9 in many areas. also aros 68k is already for most part compatible with 1.x-2.x-3.x, in fact probably more cross over compatible than particular kickstarts and adequate software between each other, so whats your point?

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If they are going to settle for some arbitrary obsolete release, why not just settle for implementing eg. 2.0 or 1.3 then?

On the other hand, why settle for "obsolete" 3.9? (not that that "shareware collection" added anything worthy...)

Better look to the future! AROS could bypass the official AmigaOS 4.x line completely! Instead of 3.x or even 4.x, why not settle on 5.x feature set instead? I mean, it was published a decade ago!

Or better yet, how about AmigaOS 6.x feature set? I heard from a trustworthy source that it is better than MacOS X!

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APIs added in 3.5/9:

- ReAction ...... now thats is so goddam awfull even most OS4 programs either use MUI or some halfported Linux-crap these days.

- WarpUP ........

- Some dos extension for allowing partitions >4GB .... dunno even which one, doesn't matter since it's all the same when coding in "user space"

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