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Always interesting what happens when beliefs come into conflict with evidence.

NASA has spent 20 years improving their evidence that the face on Mars was due to the poor resolution camera of a natural mountain area.

http://www.slate.com/articles/video/science/2014/09/mars_face_explained_nasa_missions_debunk_mythical_human_head_formation_video.html?wpsrc=kwfacebookvid&kwp_0=84319&kwp_4=446580&kwp_1=251856

Of course, those 'true believers' can grab their own telescopes or work with a competitor - Russians / China - to prove NASA is lying. Instead what happens is they claim NASA is lying, assume that's the truth, and discard everything.


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Photons have no mass but energy and momentum? How?

http://www.askamathematician.com/2010/09/q-how-can-photons-have-energy-and-momentum-but-no-mass/


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@Lou

It's early so it's rumors. But it appears LIGO may have detected gravity waves.
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/gravitational-wave-rumors-running-hot

We, of course, have to see the final scientific report. And then we need to conduct more experiments to verify. So probably years ago.

But, it seems we may have the first signs of direct evidence.

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Dark Matter Detection Pool to be built in 2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Underground_Neutrino_Experiment

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Looks like they had it PERFECT in 1986!

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/23/us/new-theory-of-universe-leaning-to-mock-gravity.html

To think they had this then some moron came out with dark bologna theories...

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@Lou

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Lou wrote:
Looks like they had it PERFECT in 1986!

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/23/us/new-theory-of-universe-leaning-to-mock-gravity.html

To think they had this then some moron came out with dark bologna theories...

Thanks for finding that.

What you probably want to look at is Wang and Field's work from 1989. As they mathematically found the 1986 theory's forces were so small that they played no role in the formation of galaxies.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989ApJ...346....3W

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@BrianK

I also like how he uses an article which states "In a gravity field like the earth's, radiation pressure is negligible." to support his theory that radiation pressure beats gravity every time.

Further proof of him not lying when he said he doesn't so much research as just throw out seemingly related links hoping someone else will waste the time looking into it. Why are we still doing that, btw?

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Further proof of him not lying when he said he doesn't so much research as just throw out seemingly related links hoping someone else will waste the time looking into it. Why are we still doing that, btw?

Because some of us still believe in honesty and value credible evidence.

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@Lou

Nibiru found!
http://www.caltech.edu/node/49523

Okay not found, mathematically predicted. Okay and not Nibiru as it doesn't have the characteristics and no lifeforms that Stichin would have us believe. But, at least it'll be another night of wet dreams for Stichin lovers

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@BrianK

I was just going to post Planet X is now Planet 9 ...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160120114539.htm

Since the #'s are estimates, it still could line up as a 3600ish year orbit... ;)

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@olegil

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@BrianK

I also like how he uses an article which states "In a gravity field like the earth's, radiation pressure is negligible." to support his theory that radiation pressure beats gravity every time.

Further proof of him not lying when he said he doesn't so much research as just throw out seemingly related links hoping someone else will waste the time looking into it. Why are we still doing that, btw?


Why would you make such an ignorant statement?
The article, and myself, clearly states - what you perceive as gravity is a sum of forces from various sources. Hence difficult to precisely calculate (just look at how your so-called 'constant' G has varied over time). How do airplanes defy gravity? By creating a low pressure zone above them. The pressure they are fighting is air pressure. What's stronger - air pressure or gravity? What is gravity?

The key aspect to radiation pressure ... is the pressure. How can we predict weather patterns? By identifying high and low pressure zones. Mass can be interpreted as condensed energy (which it is)...ie an extremely high pressure zone. Mass will move from a high pressure zone to a low pressure zone. It's the mechanical nature of all movement. A rocket creates a high pressure zone behind it and moves to a lower pressure zone in front of it (it's really not rocket science). As the article state GR is just a special case around earth where you average out G with is just a measure of our localized radiation pressure quotient.

You continue to ignore the fact that EMRP/push gravity theories answer all the questions unanswered by Newtonian and General Relativity with you use of voodoo and black magic (aka dark matter & energy). SEE MISSING MASS DEFECT. To quote:
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This internal shadowing also explains the non linearity of mass increase with increasing atomic number. Francis Aston (1877-1945) investigated the phenomenon of atoms weighing less than the sum of their particles. He calculated the total weight of the hydrogen atoms and neutrons that would be produced by the atom breaking apart minus the weight of the original atom. The mass of the constituent parts of an atom to the mass of the whole atom showed a slight difference. Aston termed this difference the packing fraction. Albert Einstein termed the difference between the sum of the mass of the atomic particles and the mass of the atom as a whole as the mass defect, and its equivalent energy, the binding energy of the nucleus. The more neutrons and protons are closely packed inside the nucleus core, the more shadowed and invisible the central parts become. So, EMRP perfectly explains the so called mass defect in nuclear physics.


In the end it is you who looks ignorant because you ignore the fact that such theories provide a real world mechanical explanation for the universe and don't depend on fictional forces. You also ignore the fact that matter is energy and energy is EM. You basically keep believing in Santa Claus.

The vacuum has energy...yet you continue to treat it like it doesn't and that's why you fail to accept that variations in that density of energy and it's resultant radiation pressure levels is what causes movement thru all mediums/density levels.

When I set my hot tub to roughly 98F or 99F, other than when I first step into it, I feel no heat or coolness. Why? Because nothing is changing...yet it's actually 99 degrees F. So clearly the hot tub has an energy level, but you simply can't feel it. That is the same as the 'vacuum'. It has an energy level but you as a human are attuned to the surface of the earth and it's conditions.

Again, this is not rocket science, but I guess to you and Nimrod - Santa Claus will continue to exist.

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@Lou
When did 3,600 fall between 10,000 and 20,000.
In order to influence the orbits of various Kuiper Belt Objects as hypothesised, the proposed planet nine needs to be of a particular mass and in in a particular orbit. It is not that astronomers have found a planet and are now trying to calculate its orbital velocity it is that a planet has been hypothesised to explain an anomaly, in much the same way that "Vulcan" was hypothesised to explain apparent inconsistencies in the orbit of Mercury.
Here are just a few of the things you ignored in your attempt to make the facts fit your preconceptions.
Rather than being a brown Dwarf with its own planetary system as "Nibiru" is supposed to be the hypothetical "Planet IX" is less than one thirtieth the mass of Jupiter.
Scott Sheppard, the Astronomer who first hypothesised this ninth planet in 2014 said yesterday "There is no planet found. It's all circumstantial evidence. It's like we're at a crime scene looking at the blood on the wall, and we're trying to explain how the person died."
In line with the scientific method Brown and Batygin set out to prove them wrong but their computer models currently support the hypothesis of a planet ten times the mass of the Earth in an orbit between 10,000 and 20,000 years.
From the information provided by the computer model, telescopes will now begin carefully looking in the parts of the sky that the hypothetical planet is most likely to be found in.
When the correct answer is finally found it will not be "Nibiru" simply because the two ideas are too far apart.

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You continue to ignore the fact that EMRP/push gravity theories answer all the questions unanswered by Newtonian and General Relativity

Your assertion is not a fact. EMRP/push gravity hypotheses answer no questions at all and raise the as yet unanswered question as to why these two stars are moving towards each other rather than flying apart at an appreciable fraction of speed C, as they should according to your claims. Or dont you remember saying back in February of 2012 Quote:
I already explained in the dark box with the light spheres example that light sources will repel each other.

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@Nimrod

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From the information provided by the computer model, telescopes will now begin carefully looking in the parts of the sky that the hypothetical planet is most likely to be found in.
When the correct answer is finally found it will not be "Nibiru" simply because the two ideas are too far apart.

To recap - the difference is... The Astronomers make a prediction then go on to try and find evidence for or against their prediction. Whereas, Nibiruans make a prediction and declare everyone who disagrees with them as wrong.

IMO, if we find it we should call it BlackStar.

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IMO, if we find it we should call it BlackStar.

Why can I never find a "Like" button when I need one?

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@Lou

Thought you'd like this.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/planet-x-nibiru-headed-earth-doomsayers-article-1.2504846

And


http://www.sitchin.com/ --
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With an elliptical orbit of 10,000 or 20,000 of our years, this planet may not be Nibiru, which has an orbit of about 3600 of our years. However, this prediction of a likely additional planet in our solar system is exciting news. Perhaps the search will lead us to either finding Nibiru ....



BTW - Planet 12 (Nibiru) is reclassified by the Stichin's as Planet X, now reclassified as 10 (not eX) and restated and Planet 9? Perhaps if Planet 9 is found you can just move that goalpost to 11 to be sure you've covered all your bases.

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@Nimrod

Quote:

Nimrod wrote:
@Lou
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You continue to ignore the fact that EMRP/push gravity theories answer all the questions unanswered by Newtonian and General Relativity

Your assertion is not a fact.

Assertion of a theory is what exactly?
GR is a THEORY. EMRP is a THEORY...except with out the black magic that is required in GR to come to the same conclusions. In FACT: GR is a localized special case/subset of EMRP. Perhaps if you didn't live up to your namesake, you'd realize this.

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EMRP/push gravity hypotheses answer no questions at all and raise the as yet unanswered question as to why these two stars are moving towards each other rather than flying apart at an appreciable fraction of speed C, as they should according to your claims. Or dont you remember saying back in February of 2012 Quote:
I already explained in the dark box with the light spheres example that light sources will repel each other.


Oh self-described nimrod...
Are they in a dark box or are they in the universe?

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@BrianK

Quote:

BrianK wrote:
@Lou

Thought you'd like this.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/planet-x-nibiru-headed-earth-doomsayers-article-1.2504846

And


http://www.sitchin.com/ --
Quote:
With an elliptical orbit of 10,000 or 20,000 of our years, this planet may not be Nibiru, which has an orbit of about 3600 of our years. However, this prediction of a likely additional planet in our solar system is exciting news. Perhaps the search will lead us to either finding Nibiru ....



BTW - Planet 12 (Nibiru) is reclassified by the Stichin's as Planet X, now reclassified as 10 (not eX) and restated and Planet 9? Perhaps if Planet 9 is found you can just move that goalpost to 11 to be sure you've covered all your bases.


I'm sure you know how the numbering goes with planets suddenly not being planets anymore...(hello Pluto!)
But if calling them goalposts helps your argument then so be it...

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@Lou
EMRP is NOT a theory. It barely even qualifies as a hypothesis.
In science, a theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step - a theory - in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.
Comparing "EMRP" to a scientific theory like GR is like comparing the Stork "theory" of reproduction with the one that involves getting undressed.

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Are they in a dark box or are they in the universe?
Take a look at the sky at night. Is it dark, or is it brighter than the noonday sun would be if it were one third the distance from us as the moon is? To all intents and purposes the two stars are in a dark place, while being pretty bright. (While you are clearly in the dark but not very bright)

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@Lou

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I'm sure you know how the numbering goes with planets suddenly not being planets anymore...(hello Pluto!)
But if calling them goalposts helps your argument then so be it...

The problem here is the original definition based upon the evidence is modified to fit the evidence. The 12th planet is now the 9th. And the orbit isn't the same. And the size isn't the same. And the mass isn't the same. But, this is NIBIRU as Stichin predicts. The problem is in the logic. Not in the science that you want to claim. (Even the Stichin website notes a 10K year orbit is out of alignment with the 3,600 orbit that Stichin wrote about. ) Go back and re-read post #234. You'll find a quick accurate paraphrase describing the differences between how science works and how the 'true believers of Stichin' operate. The problem here ain't the science.

More Nibiruians -
The world to end in 2015 because of Nibiru!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/623791/PICTURED-First-images-of-Planet-X-set-to-wipe-out-life-on-Earth-THIS-month
Or maybe that was April 2016? Or maybe we don't frickin' have a clue.

It's okay it happens to faith all the time. The Apostles believed Jesus was going to return in their lifetime. That's why they elected Matthias to replace Judas. They needed 12 to work through the end times. Oops.

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