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tlosm 
Re: Emulation: A passion
Posted on 28-Mar-2015 22:14:12
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I know there are only 4 cores :P

... i will try to build last one of boxer . if you have the opportunity i suggest to gave a try to it ... is really great dosbox gui

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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Quote:
is really great dosbox gui


I never needed any GUI for DosBox - config files and CLI, that is my way.

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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heheh... the wonderful thing of this boxer that is relly plug and play ... or better say drop and play it automatically make an img for every game and just a click on it for make it run

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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Sort of interesting seeing how an old machine like a g5 handles these sorts of lighter to emulate systems, but really Id like to see how it deals with heavier stuff like playstation2, Nintendo wii/wii u, and sony psp (although the latter isn't very heavy really for a modern machine). I've been running 2 instances of ppsspp at once on the same machine (different screens though) and playing some 2 player psp games with a friend. Good fun.
Supermodel is also quite nice (emulator for Daytona usa, virtua fighter3, etc. arcade machines). Given that it runs nicely on AROS it'd be interesting to see it running on a mac. Nice to see an Amigaoid system outdoing a mainstream system in the case of SuperModel. Obviously a ppc mac cant compete with new x86 hardware, but still nice to see.


Nothing particularly interesting yet that even amithlon cant match or beat (even though its running on an emulated cpu).

I guess with heavier to emulate stuff it shows its age, hence the reason people just keep posting about easy to emulate machines?

As for Dosbox, I must admit to liking RunInDosBox.
Simply double click a programs exe and it launches as though native. Pressing escape, or selecting quit option within software will also quit the software as though native (closes Dosbox, not just program running in it). No need for images to be made or any other such nonsense
To be honest I used to just make scripts and attach icons, but after installing 500 dos games the motivation to do so dwindles. Much easier to extract pc archive, then just double click exe.

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Re: Emulation: A passion
Posted on 29-Mar-2015 16:08:46
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if a Quad G5 on one core can handle without problems emulation of a complete Pc that running Aros and it emulating a PsOne at 1024x768 in software rendering ...belive me can emulate without problems a psp i can play mame 160 sega relly at full speed here
and now thanks of lubuntu 14.04.2 i have a radeon hd 6570 2gb running on my quad too

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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@tlosm

Emulating a psp is a completely different kettle of fish to emulating a playstation1.
Even on amithlon, which is running on an emulated 68k cpu I can run fpse (ps1 emu) at 1600x1200 full speed with software rendering without breaking a sweat. 68k codepaths are also a lot rawer than x86, so emulating x86 and then emulating another system doesn't require the same sort of hardware resources.

PSP emulation is about 10x as heavy as ps1. Even then it's not really a heavy machine to emulate for modern hardware.

And don't just talk. Show
I'd be more than happy to see these things. It's interesting to see older/slower hardware being pushed, but so far I've yet to see anything even remotely impressive on a g5. It's all been easy stuff.

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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if run on it can run on Quad G5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzvbClKdRbU

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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Not too bad really, although a bit choppy.
Makes a decent video, but I don't think I could play it with so many pauses and whatnot.

Like I said though, psp isn't really too heavy for modern computing, but it'd still be cool to see it running on an old machine like a g5.
CPU is secondary to gpu for ppsspp though. I wonder how a g5, with its limited gpu options (and restricted to an old/slow pci express bus) would cope.
Even fastest g5 I think would struggle to compete with an xb360 for gpu performance.

As I said though, I'd love to see videos rather than just talk

An actual heavy bit of software would be equally interesting to see too. PPSSPP is heavier than most stuff mentioned thus far, but still far from a heavy piece of software (in modern terms).

I'd love to see a g5 run a playstation2 emulator, a psp emulator and a Wii/U emulator concurrently and see if it's more than a slideshow (is full speed on my 4 year old i7).

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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On G5 i have a RadeonHd 6570 2Gb running

If someone will use the G5 cpu directly i think will be not a problem use Wii / GameCube emulation .. Ps2 i dont know ... i think there will be need much more power

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Any reason you went for a slow card like a 6570?

If the g5 can support cards from up to a few years ago something like a 4870 or 5870 is much faster.Its amazing how many people assume a higher 1st number in a gfx card GPU name means better. Its just about generation. Second and 3rd numbers represent power.
Having said that it'd probably be pointless running something much faster over a g5's old PCI express 1.x slot.

All this talk of old hardware has got me in the mood to tinker. Might put together as fast a pre-2000 system as I can from what spare parts I have and see what it can do.

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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have the 6570 runninig on quad is a miracle. because if you think the x1900gt or nvidia 7800gtx price on mac about 10 times more than 6570 and are the last gou board supported by apple ....
i think a 6570 is more than much is not need to buy a board more faster because there isnt not games that can use it power on linux ppc .

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Re: Emulation: A passion
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Ah, of course, you're using a mac.

Sorry, given your interest in maxing out your g5 experience, I was wondering why you didn't just grab a higher end card from one or 2 generations earlier if they had driver support. I guess it's not as straightforward as that with the mac/ppc combo?

Not sure if it got released yet, but I recently saw something about someone working on a ppc version of Supermodel. Im quite fond of that emulator. Some good games, and perhaps a little strangley given that it's emulated, some of the best game graphics available on amiga-oid systems.

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dont know . i see last supermodel was mac intel only, but there are the sources available i will gave a try if on quad they build. some time im lucky because devs ignore the sdl2 are available for ppc too.
will check ;)

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fast porting :P


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Re: Emulation: A passion
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... screenflow took too much cpu ... but guys i can say for sure without it ... everything was great!|

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZ1io9Qs44

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@tlosm

Slideshow.

Your other videos were better. How much FPS you get in Doom (without screenflow)?

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i dont have fps .. i dont know why i try forcedemo but not fps are displayed... but doom as good and playable like native same as for duke 3d , starwars and Mdk . the only one really choppy is formula one Gran Prix 2....

screenflow took about 140% of cpu ... means 1 core and half!

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Posted on 26-Apr-2015 18:09:24
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@tlosm

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screenflow took about 140% of cpu


Wow!

That is why I deactivated all effects in Windows 7 (I also like Win2000 theme).

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here i cant disable effect ... only can make lower resolution of recording. that video was 1080p.
In any way the best doom performance i have with Aros under VirtualPc 335 fps and more on softwindows 98 ... counter didnt gave right fps probably timing it the emulator is creazy ... but is insane fast!

https://youtu.be/h3j-5i1GO3g?t=38s

and if you think quake was running like as native in software rendering at 1280x1024 i think the softwindows is the only one emulator who make the best cpu performances this... why in 2001 some one buy the insignia and close it

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Ah, I got it - recording software. I assume it is better with 720p (for more DosBox instances)?

Still, impressive performance for 10 years old computer!

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