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resle 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 8:10:33
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@Hyperionmp

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The extent of your ignorance is quite astounding.


The extent of your lack of attention to syntax is equally astounding:

Parse my sentences again and you will notice that I cautiously picked terms such as "ASSUMPTION", "PROBABLY", and verbal forms such "MUST BE", in order to convey that what I express are just guesses. My own guesses.

Evidence to support my guesses: some logical constructs.
Evidence to support your statement: none, for the time being.

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Again, why are you even posting this? Even your average troll these days knows these facts.


Calling indiscriminately "troll" everyone who exerts free speech to express opinions that diverge from your own - well, this is trolling.

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blizz1220 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 8:12:52
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@Hyperionmp

One other thing cleared in my mind ...

How about do it now ? :)

Maybe AOS4 and AROS could share codes and agree
to some repayment (even in percentage of hardware price
based on number of sold/produced units) so that it helps
both sides if it's modernization required.

Only one who can decide about this is AROS Team and
Hyperion so new OS would be sold on AmigaOne branded
hardware.

If AEon is not interested there is also ACube , and many more
who make custom Bioses (at least) in their x86/x64 boards.

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pavlor 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 8:25:56
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@resle

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Evidence to support my guesses: some logical constructs.


I wouldn´t call your constructs "logical".

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megol 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:01:00
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@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote:
...
For about 20 years the Amiga o.s. had fully linear address space. No "8-bit era" bank switching.
...


And you think you are a technical person?

The problem is given by the AOS design - using a single address space. How would you add the same functionality given that constraint?
Implying that this is linked to "8-bit era" is ridiculous.

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megol 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:08:48
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@Hyperionmp

How about you do a public apology for your claims about MorphOS and AROS?
Because how could we trust anyone that handles truth in such a nonchalant manner?
Given the current state of affairs when you say "A" I and others will think the truth is closer to "Z".

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Boot_WB 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:14:41
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@Hyperionmp

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Hyperionmp wrote:

And yes, we did start frm scratch with a complete reimplementation of Exec in C (ExecSG), an entirely new DOS library etc.


Ie the kernel of your operating system claims exactly the same heritage from AmigaOS as the kernels of AROS and MorphOS: None, being a complete reimplementation. Ergo the Friedens can claim it as an original copyrighted work not derived from Amiga Inc's IP.

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But we value compatibility.

Strangely enough, so does our userbase and the userbase of the clones.


You've just shown once again how the kernel of your OS is, in fact, also a clone. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Having said, AmigaOS 4.x is probably the software that "broke" most badly written applications over time because we did not want to compromise on bogging down features with compatibility hacks which Commodore did themselves for specific games.


Why would you need to 'add' such features when the genuine code should already contain them?

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 3-May-2015 9:18:34
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@pavlor

your constructs are often not "logical" too , in fact most of the die-hard supporters in the community are not "logical" but pure emotional.

@Hyperionmp

we have 2015 now. Have you heard Microsoft doing advertising for Windows 8 that is "shares code" with Windows 3.1.? No, because people would not see it as advantage today. At the end the result counts. How about comparing by features and not by "emotions"? Soon MorphOS will run on the same hardware as AmigaOS so it will become interesting then. And Aros is progressing too. So compare by saying what AmigaOS does better or at least different than competition.

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pavlor 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:21:37
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@OlafS25

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your constructs are often not "logical" too


You know, it was expert opinion.

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because people would not see it as advantage today


As you wrote in same post above: most of the die-hard supporters in the community are not "logical" but pure emotional.

For many Amiga users, such legacy is without doubt important.

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pavlor 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:23:54
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@Boot_WB

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Ie the kernel of your operating system claims exactly the same heritage from AmigaOS as the kernels of AROS and MorphOS: None, being a complete reimplementation


There is some difference - it is kernel of AmigaOS, unlike its MorphOS or AROS counterparts.

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Boot_WB 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:25:48
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@pavlor

The Name?

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OlafS25 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:27:32
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@pavlor

for many "AmigaOS" users to be precise

most Amiga users are what people here call "classic fans", they use heavy equipped A2000 or A4000 or emulation and have no emotional ties to PPC at all. For me PPC is just another hardware like X86 or ARM, my last Amiga I bought (except a A600 I got recently) was a A4000 running with 68k processor, no PPC. As you said for some it is emotional, others (the vast majority) has not the same emotions.

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pavlor 
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Posted on 3-May-2015 9:29:33
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@Boot_WB

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The Name?


The Name!

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pavlor 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:32:10
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@OlafS25

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As you said for some it is emotional, others (the vast majority) has not the same emotions.


Emotional ties to PPC? What a nonsense. Emotional ties to Amiga heritage including AmigaOS - that is what I had in mind.

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Boot_WB 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:33:10
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@pavlor



(I was joking about the name.)

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OlafS25 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:33:11
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@pavlor

I used the example of Windows 8 versus Windows 3.1.

The same certainly could be applied to Mac or Linux

People judge what is achieved, not if it started by original sources and still has 20 years old bugs. BTW funnily AROS and MorphOS are today obviously more compatible to the original than the "official successor". What worth has it being "official successor" if the software does not run on it because development heads in another direction.

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 3-May-2015 9:34:23
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@pavlor

Do you really think that?

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pavlor 
Re: Amiga name, assets and IP today: how much is worth?
Posted on 3-May-2015 9:51:05
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@OlafS25

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Do you really think that?


Although I don´t know what you have in mind, I expect answer is YES, if I wrote that in some of my posts.

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OlafS25 
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@pavlor

I had a number of discussions with die-hard AmigaOS fans who tried to persuade me how superior PPC is. So my personal impression is a different one.

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Boot_WB 
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Posted on 3-May-2015 10:02:12
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@OlafS25

Is it possible they are just expressing what the processors can do, rather than saying implicitly that what they can do is somehow 'better'? (also, better than what?)

Not saying that is the case, but sometimes perception is half the problem.

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OlafS25 
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Posted on 3-May-2015 10:12:48
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@Boot_WB

try to say to certain people that PPC is not much different and the processor is not that much important today and wait for the answer

I personal doubt that everyone would be happy and follow when AmigaOS would be ported to say X64 (what is just theoretical anyway).

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