Well, they probarly got more than enough items on the "to do" list to get 4.1FE and 4.2 for real hardware released within reasonable time, than to divert development resources to accomodate emulation.

Since I use emulator myself, I would welcome improvements for the PPC enviroment.
But Id rather see Hyperion ensuring that those that have 440, 460, x1000/5000 hardware get their hardware supported and utilized first.

I guess if we want expanded emulation maybe we should inspire Toni with donations?
He seems totally indifferent to NG hardware, but I seem to recall a comment on EAB that donations did motivate him to keep developing the PPC emulation.

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I guess if we want expanded emulation maybe we should inspire Toni with donations?

What features you have in mind?

no way to made a software patch to solve that ram issue?

However if Hyperion will decide to dont support classic hw in AmigaOS4.2 and more the situation will start from begin...

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no way to made a software patch to solve that ram issue?

There is only one simple way - Hyperion.

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However if Hyperion will decide to dont support classic hw in AmigaOS4.2 and more the situation will start from begin...

2020 is far away from today.

I guess my point is; Hyperion is more or less obligated to give the best possible OS support to hardware owners as fast as possible, given the limited manpower they have.

When I asked ssolie if he had noticed an increase in OS sales after Tonis PPC emulator the answer was "yes".
Tho I seriously doubt it amounts to so many units that they can increase manpower, hopefully it gives them motivation. From what Ive read, they are hardpressed to cover the expenses of the current development, let alone adding patches to increase compability to emulation.
I do see the point of improved emulation, as the FE sales would probarly increase even more, but I can see hardware partners of Hyperion not being overly excited about that.
Plus, even at the current level of emulation, there will still be plenty of people intrested to buy
FE for their laptop in addition to their hardware.

So any improvement would likely have to come from external developers.

I would obviously love to get 100% hardware emulation, but not expecting it.

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@Overflow

I simply think that a fully usable AmigaOS4.1 in emulation will only increase AmigaOS4.1 FE for classic sales, maybe much more than a fully new hardware...
Probably for laptop use I think...

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Yep, I totally agree.

The stores (phoenix and amigakit) will be installed on more machines. Developers will see improved sales etc. So its better for almost everyone, except hardware sales.
100% emulation would instantly kill hardware sales beyond classic hardware.

So emulation got alot of good positive arguments and one massive negative (for aeon and acube).
Aeonkit has set themselves up with the amigastore, so they will generate income even if hardware sales drop drastically.
I would be more worried about Acube since they seems to be 100% hardware based.

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@Overflow

yes, I quite agree.
But not totally true since in emulation we have no 3D/compositing support, so I think the hw will be sold about the same...

For a laptop use (maybe wth Warzp3D), its quite nice to use it, but full AmigaOS experience I think a real AmigaOS hw was still the better chioce if no way to get a full working emulated gfx board...

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WinUAE would have to emulate one of the Classic PCI solutions (Mediator/Prometheus, etc...) and a Radeon 9250 graphics card for Warp3D/compositing to work, or at least emulate a CyberVision/BlizzardVision PPC graphics card.

I think Toni has the skills to do it, but as others have pointed out he's not really interested to do this. Well, he has emulated add-on cards so technically Mediator/Prometheus would be no different in that category.

Not sure it is possible to emulate a Radeon 9250?

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Aye, tho Toni atleast seemed to indicate that donations affects his motivation ;)
Tho reading the interview in Amiga Future, he made it quite clear that PPC was just a divertion.

So while we might get very cheap hardware option thru emulation, it might cost us to get toni to work past the scope of his curiosity. If he can be persuaded at all.

Resources and manpower is limited, so it is to a certain extent up to the enduser to absorb some of the cost.

@HammerD

VirtualBox has some generic 3D emulation (not shaders, but I was able to run Morrowind) - new OS4 driver would be neded of course. Maybe Dolphin GFX emulation could be useful - if it has anything common with mainstream ATI GFX.

What could Toni do to improve PowerPC emulation in WinUAE? I think support for UAE devices (mainly UAEGFX) would be nice.

What could Hyperion do to improve PowerPC emulation in WinUAE? Let us use Z3 RAM!

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A4000T/060 was official model sold by AT.

But not by Commdodore. And AFAIK there wasn't an 060 optimised version of the OS in their time.

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Again, it is up to Hyperion to solve this problem.

It's not their problem. That's how I think they would see it.

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Adding a X86 card in a amiga indeeds sounds a little strange to me too

A friend has an a A1000 with a "PC" bridge board, thus an x86. Maybe an early x86, like an 8086, but it still rhymes.

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assume Toni became motivated to get it ready because people said it is impossible

I do get inspired by doubt as well.

The benefit of the doubt.

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Hyperion has the sources of AmigaOS and can easy solve it, they want to sell the licenses and get the money from it.

From what I read here (AW), when people found out that OS4.1 can run under emulation, a lot of them pledged to buy it. And a large number of those also had an NG machine said they were going to buy it for that as well. So regardless of memory limitations Hyperion will benefit.

The official stance as I also read here was that they don't support running OS4.1 under emulation so I don't think this going to change. They support real machines, not virtual boxes.

In any case, if not memory, there is always going to be something else not supported. AFAIK Classic can't use USB2 speeds over PCI, does OS4.1 work at USB2 speeds under UAE? Then we get to 2d/3d acceleration. Is even 2d operations optimised in OS4.1 under UAE?

@Hypex

PC bridge board are not needed if the software emulation is made good See VirtualPC or Softwindows/RealPc on mac . ;)

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it's a nice deal to be able to carry OS4 with my laptop!

Only issue (I don't use gfx), is just low memory possibilities (better with BPPC, but hard drive in IDE mode is really slower)....

@DC_Edge

You use Blizzard603e emulation? For me, CPU is sloooow in comparison to CyberstormPPC emulation - is it the same also for you?

Why not use GFX?

@pavlor

Sooooooooooooooooon :)
I have already fixed the compilation of qemu core for MacOsX leopard and the crash of fsuae when cyberstorm was enabled on PPC host machine :)


Guys is the qemu core working on Os 3.9 with warpos os only on Os 4.1 classic?

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@tlosm
" fixed the crash of fsuae when cyberstorm was enabled "

Ah ah, interesting.

How do you do that please ?

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i had been modded the isiEtcttc695ca.cpp :)
this past days i made many many many test and didt wanna send you 150 emails :P
Let me test it , yesterday i have success with it before going in bed (was the last test) .. now im at work and cand do the test :)
dont worry you will the first who will have the email ;) with the .cpp fixed for PPC

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@tlosm

Thank you by advance

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