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zzd10h 
Re: RadeonHD V1.2 Available From AMIStore
Posted on 13-Nov-2014 13:09:47
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"In this case the old software is retreated and sold "

Not true, see all the updates in the AMIStore package here :

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39572&forum=32

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Re: RadeonHD V1.2 Available From AMIStore
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So that basically means there is no point in upgrading to v1.2 for any current X1000 owner who already has a working Radeon card? Functionality change comes only in v2.4?



It's free update, sure you could not bother if you have working system, and / or plan to go for 2.4 soon anyway, but when you upgrade your card in a years time and forget you didn't upgrade the driver you will be up the proverbial creek.

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@zzd10h

ok then the only difference is that the old ones are not available anymore. But as I wrote the copyright owner can do what he wants

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Posted on 13-Nov-2014 18:31:55
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Yes... you get the idea, but pay for a OS, drivers, updates... are bad business, on morphos you buy the OS one time and dont have to pay anymore.

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Posted on 13-Nov-2014 18:43:03
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A new business model.
The RadeonHD 2D driver has moved ahead very well as a separate commercial product.
There is no way that it would have reached this point without a direct funding model .
I do not think that Hyperion had the resources to make this happen in this way ,

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Yes... you get the idea, but pay for a OS, drivers, updates... are bad business, on morphos you buy the OS one time and dont have to pay anymore.

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Posted on 13-Nov-2014 18:54:10
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@kickstart

I agree with you to certain extent in principle, BUT;

This platform have tried the freeware and work on your days off/evening hours approach, with nothing but complaints about how long development takes.
So I think its safe to say that this model does NOT work.

So what is the alternative? Yes, there are alot of good people that has produced software for free, and continue to do so, but at their own pace. If a developer got a reallife work project he needs to complete within a certain deadline, Im pretty sure whatever project hes working on for the Amiga platform(s) takes a backburner? Why? Because the steady job pays the bills.
It becomes easier to justify the time spent on an Amiga project if you actually get something in return that puts food on the table, or atleast recover the cost of the project.

AndreasM produces a brilliant magazine, im sure it could be fully online (no paperversion), but then people would expect it for free using the old model. Thank god he (and his collegues) are producing their quality product the way they do, and charge for it.

I really hope Cherry Darling have more monetary success. Their games displays quality, and maybe some return on investement would accelerate their production pace.

Andy with his Sketchblock, lifeforit, kas1e, etc etc the list is long. They all got one thing in common;
They all need to eat to continue coding

Idealism only takes you so far.

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@Overflow

What is the most up to date graphics card supported by a free Amigaoid powerpc driver ?
The R300 GPU, introduced in August 2002 or R420 GPU Introduces 204-2005 ?

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OK but... if MorphOS team can make it why hyperion, aeon, amigakit or whatever need to pick money for everything? All of this OSes are hobbist and some people or "companies" try make it more "professional".

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Big money Investments .

http://www.a-eon.com/18-10-2013-3.pdf

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@Spectre660

Big money investments for a bad or not-so-good results.

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@kickstart

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why hyperion, aeon, amigakit or whatever need to pick money for everything?


Why not?

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Posted on 13-Nov-2014 19:21:23
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@kickstart

I cant speak for MorphOS since I havent followed that as closely. Obviously Ive seen Techguurus youtube review and comments about MorphOS being his favourite platform based on usability/performance.

But take developers like zzd10h or Andy that is asking money in return for their development time?
Let me ask you this; would YOU feel more or less motivated to spend hours, days, months and years to develop if you got 0 euros or 1000 euros for the effort?

The company I work for have not invested much in the past on public relations/advertising. After hireing a guy that is 100% focused on that aspect of the company we have now gotten new contracts and general yield has increased.

The same logic can be applied to AEON. Trevor throws money at Hans for developing the Radeon driver. You need money to hopefully increase the return faster. Trevor could maybe convince Hans to do that for free. If he has agreed Im pretty sure the development speed would have been slower.

I know I enjoy getting paid for prolonged efforts on projects. Amigakit havent hidden the fact that they try to make a runnable company with employees. Matthew cant pay with hugs and smiles.

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@kickstart

The hardware is good. The OS and drivers need to harness its power.
Thus the Radeon v2.4 driver. HD video playback with only 50% cpu use on one core for some videos.

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Big money investments for a bad or not-so-good results.

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Posted on 13-Nov-2014 19:31:14
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Nothing else, like speedups or bug fixes?


Yes, quite a few actually.

from the Readme file supplied with the Version 1.2 update:

- Added new PCI device IDs for some GPUs (new IDs released by AMD)

- Changed 16-bit screens to be little-endian on Southern Islands GPUS (these GPUs no longer support 16-bit big-endian bitmaps/textures). This enables compositing to work on 16-bit screens again.

- Reduced the timeout when waiting for the memory controller after uploading its microcode (Northern & Southern Islands chipsets). This reduces boot time with certain problematic cards

- Added support for MSI (needed for Cyrus motherboards)

- Removed the debug error message for DDC communication. It's normal for an I2C error to occur when no monitor is connected...

- Added an infinite loop detector to the AtomBIOS loop. When an infinite loop is detected, the driver aborts the execution. This may allow some problematic cards to boot

Plus a few others.


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Posted on 13-Nov-2014 19:32:03
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@Overflow

Then... you paid you have the rights to request results like another company, but if someone critizices or ask for results its a hobby OS.

I see the two faces in forums and is weird.

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@kickstart

I like the morphos way more as its more complete you pay and get all the package with the OS like gfx, updates whatever etc. I always liked the changelog from morphos too.

AmigaOs also has better changelog now and amiupdate which is a big plus. But then as the situation is "now" i rather pay and get better drivers and move the OS/apps forward then not do it and see it halted even more. All this funds developers etc. Amistore is beta and will get better and in the end i think its a good move even if i already donated to some of the devs and need to rebuy the apps :p

However i hope they make a page on the internet for amistore in sync with the application so we can buy, check stuff from work etc.

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Posted on 13-Nov-2014 19:39:20
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@TrevorDick

I like this one.
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- Added an infinite loop detector to the AtomBIOS loop. When an infinite loop is detected, the driver aborts the execution. This may allow some problematic cards to boot

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Posted on 13-Nov-2014 19:56:37
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@kickstart

Well, if I buy something from Amigakit and it doesnt work I would email/call them right away and ask them to sort it out. Be it replacement unit or whatever fix needed to remedy the situation.
I would not be prepared to accept a broken x1000 upon delivery (hypotetically).

When it comes to software by for example zzd10h I would expect what is stated in the discription.
Take any game I might buy; if I pay subscription for a mmo I will expect continous service and patches as stuff breaks/bugs out.
If I buy a singleplayer game I expect that one unit to work out of the box, and any updates beyond that would be a nice positive suprise.
So if zzd10h says the payment for x software is for versions 1thru 1.9 I would expect to pay for version 2 if released.

So the hobby vs commercial argument depends on the situation.

And results; I would think most of us know the relative low manpower count the OS/driver effort got, and the understanding regarding development pace reflect that.
If you listened to Trevors Amiwest presentation he highlighted the need for content.
Amigakit/aeons commercialisation process is relativly new on the Amiga scale, so expecting instant result is unrealistic.

And its one of the reasons why the Stores are important. People have over the years commented that developers are leaving the platform one by one. Maybe income can ensure people stay?
Ofcourse Amigakit wants to make money off it too, but if that accelerates development/improves service even more, I dont see the problem.

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@kickstart

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OK but... if MorphOS team can make it why hyperion, aeon, amigakit or whatever need to pick money for everything?


Hans started the RadeonHD driver as a spare time/hobby project while he was still studying. It would have probably been free with the OS if Trevor hadn't funded development but it would probably be stuck at 4000 series cards which are now difficult to source.

Because Trevor funded Hans to spend more time on it the 1.2 driver supports cards upto 7000 series and the 2.4 driver supports everything upto the latest R9 cards and has the composite video feature too.

The newest publicly supported card under MorphOS is Radeon 9800 (granted it has a tinyGL driver) with alpha/beta version of X1000 series cards having been shown some time ago.

Anyway if you prefer what the MorphOS guys are doing why not buy/stick with that?

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1.2 driver supports cards upto 7000 series and the 2.4 driver supports everything upto the latest R9 cards


Minor correction. The 1.2 driver also supports up to selected R9 cards.

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