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Thorham wrote: No, please no! IBrowse is ten million times better. It needs CSS, of course, but otherwise IBrowse is in a completely different league from Netsurf. Updating IBrowse makes far more sense.

What are you missing from NetSurf? (OS4 frontend, not the current 68k one which is rubbish for all sorts of reasons)

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Thorham uses 68k only.

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In that case the comment makes more sense, and I need to stress that utri007 was referring to bringing the OS4 frontend (or something like it) to OS3. If utri007 didn't make it clear, the current OS3 frontend is based the framebuffer frontend which isn't really deemed suitable for GUI platforms, and is missing a lot of frontend features. It also uses SDL which weighs down the rendering on 68k.

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DPaint, Brillance - why would A-Eon invest money into another pixel program when they already got PPaint?

Realm3D, Tornado3D - same question like before but this time they already got Aladdin4D, even though all these are totally obsolete and get them "usable" would take a lot of money. There is Blender, opensource, actively developed by big community, uptodate on technology level, already ported to OS4

IBrowse - yeah it's very fast and with nice MUI gui, but totally obsolete. Even though it would be nice to get some usable 68k browser at least for UAE users.

MiamiDX - why? there is EasyNetPro already and roadshow (the best tcp/ip stack around, even though 68k version miss the gui badly)

What we miss on both sides (68k/PPC) are
office suite
dtp program
raster graphics editor for image editing
printer support (even though it should probably be integral part of OS at least in OS4 case)

I forget...

SCALA MM400!!!!

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@Chris_Y

NetSurf doesn't run on 68030s, would probably be way too slow if it did, and IBrowse has a pretty decent GUI (even when compared to today's standards it's not bad).

However, my biggest gripe with NetSurf is that it uses ixemul.library. I refuse to use software that needs ixemul.library, because it's not proper AmigaOs software.

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@Thorham

The OS4 version of Netsurf is a much cleaner port and doesn't dependencies such as SDL etc. The current 68k version is nothing to do with Chris Y's port.

Maybe you could download the source and have go at getting it running under 68k.

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However, my biggest gripe with NetSurf is that it uses ixemul.library.

This is only a problem of the current 680x0 compilation of NetSurf. NetSurf on AmigaOS 4.x doesn't use ixemul and there is no reason why a 680x0 version would have to either.

If libnix doesn't provide enough functionality for compiling NetSurf then clib2 could be used instead, rather than resorting to ixemul.

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Briliance if it has Symmetry tool if not then Deluxe Paint. Personal Paint dont have such a feature. Both also have few things what Personal Paint dont have.

Hint. What about ask PPaint developer (who is active here on the forum) about adding new features, instead of suggesting acquisition and fixing of another very similar software?

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I want the easyness of DPaint anims to PPaint and output to gifanim!

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Jose wrote: - ProstationAudio

I loved that programme and used it regularly for a year or two on my Peg1 but it was very much a niche product.
If it could incorporate some of the features of HD-Rec (MIDI) or Audio Evolution (input monitoring) it would be a major improvement.

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A1200 wrote: Haage and Partner. Bring that crowed back and dump Hyperion. Why? Because I haven`t finished my popcorn.

Someone just reported this as trolling. Haha. You can't get upset about stuff like that it will kill ya, stone dead you'll be I tells ya.

Next you will be reporting me when I say that Mehdi Ali was the best thing that happened to Commodore (oh whoops I did), or what do you get if you get all OS4 users in a line and tell them to dance? A Village People tribute act! (again my bad).

Come on, OS3.5 and 3.9 were proper good weren't they? Free song on one of the CDs too IIRC, can't buy that quality any more.

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by salass00 on 15-Dec-2014 23:40:55 @Thorham Quote: However, my biggest gripe with NetSurf is that it uses ixemul.library. This is only a problem of the current 680x0 compilation of NetSurf. NetSurf on AmigaOS 4.x doesn't use ixemul and there is no reason why a 680x0 version would have to either. If libnix doesn't provide enough functionality for compiling NetSurf then clib2 could be used instead, rather than resorting to ixemul.

Netsurf for RiscOS requires ARM6 20mhz with 16mb ram, there is no reason why Netsurf wouldn't be usefull with 68030 CPU, exect IF you use framebuffer version wich is only meant for DEBUGGING and NO GUI system. And of course SDL does it own "tricks".

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or what do you get if you get all OS4 users in a line and tell them to dance? A Village People tribute act! (again my bad).

Good one!

@utri007

btw, I was trying to get the old OS3 crosscompile toolchain working as it might, at the very least, make it a bit easier for somebody to start looking at this. However binutils refuses to build and I'm at a loss as to why (it originally looked in the wrong place for ylwrap, I managed to fix that but now get a "permission denied" error which all Internet sources tell me means flex isn't installed - except it is).

If anybody wants to look at this it would make it easier for a NetSurf backport to be worked on later ==> http://git.netsurf-browser.org/toolchains.git/

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