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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Mar-2015 22:27:22
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I have Amiga 500.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Wow, Amiga World user owned a A500!
What are the chances?
Proper thread HERE

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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If Hyperion dissolves and OS4 development stops, what do the NDAs say about what the developers can and can not do with their knowledge about OS4's inner workings? If an OS4 developer decides she wants to contribute to AROS - can she?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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what do the NDAs say about what the developers can and can not do

They can't tell you because they've signed an NDA

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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No-Discolsure Agreements prevent people from publishing sensible data which are considered vital for the company's activity. Once the company's activity has gone, people are virtually free from any signed NDAs with that company.

Please notice, however, that while information can be free, code lines are still protected by copyright laws, which means that if copyrighted code is sold as asset to another company, and you obviously do not retain rights on that code, you can't spread it to anyone else.

If an AmigaOS developer decides to contribute to AROS, he/she should not commit already written code, but can always help implementing the same solution with a closed rooms approach. Coder A, coming from a former experience, can describe his solution to a 3rd party, which can share his(her new knlwledge with Coder B, who actually re-implements the solution. That's quite similar to what the whole AROS team did, after all: re-writing the code starting with the API description. You know what the result should be and why, then you write your own code to get the same results for the same reasons.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@paolone

I think you missed the ironic humour in Trixies post

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No-Discolsure Agreements prevent people from publishing sensible data which are considered vital for the company's activity. Once the company's activity has gone, people are virtually free from any signed NDAs with that company.


I'm not sure about that, it would depend on the terms of the NDA would it not? After all information is IP and that IP might be sold on, so if the IP is to be of value the NDA would have to remain in place. Talking generally here not about Hyperion. It's certainly true that the ultimate NDA, The official secrets Acts, remain binding after leaving employment!



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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@broadblues

I agree with you concerning NDA's. I did a quick search on Google and found a good and informative explanation of what happens with an NDA after a bankruptcy. You can find it here:

If a company fails or goes bankrupt or ceases to exist, is the individual (contractor, advisor, etc) still bound by nondisclosure agreements?

NDA's are different as well, depending on the company and what you work with.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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I think you missed the ironic humour in Trixies post

Yes, the year in England taught me the craft of subtle jokes :)

@paolone
'twas indeed a joke. Sorry about that.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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I have Amiga 500.


I have PowerBook.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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So the answer is "no", if you have signed the NDA to have access to AmigaOS sources, you are not allowed to contribute code yourself to for example AROS, you would have to go through the much cumbersome way of having someone else implementing your ideas.

Why people volunteerly sign this type of NDAs with Amiga companies is beyond what I can grasp.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@kolla

Any such NDA that prevented someone from ever working again in the same market would be laughably unenforceable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tiger

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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So you are MorphOS user? :)

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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So you are MorphOS user? :)


Still waiting for 68k port.

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i had the powerbook 165c myself, actually. terrible display, but for me, it was magic. then i got a 540c, then a 5300c, then a 3400c, a G3 (pismo).... anyway -- you get the idea.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Oh... But didnt you know my Amiga 500 is running AmigaOS? I am not MorphOS only user. I have been using AmigaOS 25 years now.

What Amiga you have btw?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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What Amiga you have btw?


A500 and A1200 (Blizzard1230IV).

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Blizzard 1230-IV was my favorite accelerator. Fast but cheap.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@itix

I have just changed my marpet 1207 for a Blizzard 1220/4. I have owned several 1230mkiv's but happy with my EC020 @ 28MHz with 40MHz FPU.

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@Boot_WB

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Any such NDA that prevented someone from ever working again in the same market would be laughably unenforceable.

I don't think NDAs do matter in this regard - it's a simply copyright problem, IMHO. The knowledge you gained while working on OS4 sources can not be used for any other projects - unless the copyright owner gives you a license to do so.

It would be kind of hard to argue that you're now going to work on AROS, but you'll really never use anything you learned while working on the commercial OS that AROS is a clone of. I'm not saying it's impossible, but try explaining that to a lawyer.

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So _knowledge_ is copyrighted? Hahaha!

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