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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 17:56:37
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Most on this thread don't consider the Amiga Mini an Amiga |
For me, it is part of Amiga history.
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This thread really is tiresome. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 18:00:18
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For me, it is part of Amiga history. |
Yeah, in the same way this Commodore branded PC is
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 18:02:24
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This could be part of Commodore history... |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 18:06:03
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Why? Just because someone committed trademark rape? _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 18:38:07
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your not answering of my question is also telling |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 19:11:27
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Why? Just because someone committed trademark rape? |
CommodoreUSA got Amiga trademark from the very same source as Hyperion - from Amiga.Inc. I would be really bad supporter of Amiga.Inc not acknowledging that. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 19:22:03
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Or AmigaOnes? They are different. |
There is no definition of 'Amiga' hardware that says they have to have custom chips maybe your thinking of Commodore Amigas ! The definition of Amiga hardware for 90% of users on this website is surely hardware that allows to use AmigaOS so that includes AmigaOnes. Most on this thread don't consider the Amiga Mini an Amiga even though it had the branding because it couldn't run AmigaOS natively and wasn't supported by Hyperion. This thread really is tiresome. |
It's important what people think, but only facts matter.
From a legal point of view, SOME (not all!) PCs + PowerPC CPUs are labeled as "AmigaOne". You cannot call them "Amiga", because you don't have the (again, legal) right to call them as well.
And no, reducing the font size of "One" to an unreadable text doesn't make the magic of converting an AmigaOne to an Amiga. That's only a marketing idea in order to fake people thinking about it's an Amiga... illusion.
Commodore USA's Amiga Mini was also an Amiga.
That's from a legal point of view.
If we take a look at the specs of the Amiga machines produced by Commodore, we can also clearly see that no other machine after the Commodore bankrupt has similar characteristics.
The Amiga o.s. was (and is) only one part or the Amiga platform. Not the whole thing.
Last but not least, running the Amiga o.s. doesn't make a machine an Amiga. Otherwise my PC, PSP, etc. can be called Amiga also, because (Win)UAE allows me to run it.
The same applies to AmigaOS4, of course. And pay attention that OS4 runs also on machines which are neither Amigas (plus PowerPC cards) nor AmigaOnes (Pegagos, Efika, etc.).
That's if we are talking about FACTS.Last edited by cdimauro on 25-Apr-2015 at 07:23 PM.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 19:31:16
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 20:16:42
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You cannot call them "Amiga", because you don't have the (again, legal) right to call them as well. |
Nobody is labeling them "Amiga". AmigaOne is distinct Amiga brand created by Amiga.Inc for hardware designed for AmigaDE and later AmigaOS. |
Nobody can label them as "Amiga", because they haven't the rights to do so, since the Amiga brand is owned by Amiga Inc.
They can only call them AmigaOne. Indeed. Quote:
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Name AmigaOne (Amiga One) clearly shows its Amiga heritage. I see you don´t like it. Good. |
That's not about me, pavlor. They have no Amiga heritage: they have only new Amiga-based brands.
Unless you define such labels also as "heritage". Then, yes, we can talk about Amiga heritage. Even for the Amiga Mini. Quote:
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If we take a look at the specs of the Amiga machines produced by Commodore, we can also clearly see that no other machine after the Commodore bankrupt has similar characteristics. |
What about A4000T/060 by Amiga Technologies? |
They used the same Amiga hardware, except for a new CPU card (I remark: CARD). So, what are we talking about?
Yes, it's an Amiga because... they used an Amiga. Quote:
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The Amiga o.s. was (and is) only one part or the Amiga platform. Not the whole thing. |
From a legal point of view, AmigaOS and AmigaOne are the only what remains of Amiga platform. |
For AmigaOS, yes.
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That's if we are talking about FACTS. |
Facts? In this thread? I assume it is another good joke. |
A funny thread can have also serious stuff and facts.
Logic rulez, pavlor. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 21:15:59
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 21:31:01
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They have no Amiga heritage: |
Amiga One bears Amiga in name and runs Amiga OS - exactly as original Amiga series. |
What about Pegosos, Efika, ... Teron boards? So, they are not Amiga, even if AmigaOS4 can run on them. Right?
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except for a new CPU card (I remark: CARD). So, what are we talking about? |
A4000T can´t work without CPU card, it essential part of this computer... |
Yes, but Commodore wasn't the only company to create CPU boards for Amigas. Other vendors did it, and Amigas which used those were still... Amigas.
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Name is important. Connects past (original Amiga series) with present (AmigaOne). |
That's only from a legal point of view, as you previously stated. That means that the Commodore USA's Amiga Mini is also an Amiga.
With the same logic, we can also say the same thing for every computer with an Amiga Forever package. Quote:
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In Amiga world? Unbelievable. |
Sure. Sometimes it happens, also here. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 21:48:09
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What about Pegosos, Efika, ... Teron boards? So, they are not Amiga, even if AmigaOS4 can run on them. Right? |
Do they bear AMIGA in name?
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(Win)UAE also let to run the Amiga o.s. thanks to the Amiga Forever package. Amiga Forever -> Amiga in the name -> Amiga. Right? |
On Commodore Amiga Mini? Without doubt.
As other PCs aren´t Amiga branded, they don´t fulfill first part of my narrower deffnition "what is an Amiga":
Amiga branded computer powered by Amiga OS
This is only my definition, of course.
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That means that the Commodore USA's Amiga Mini is also an Amiga. |
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With the same logic, we can also say the same thing for every computer with an Amiga Forever package. |
As I wrote above, such computer is not Amiga branded. It is like Pegasos 2 with AmigaOS. It seems your logic is flawed here. Last edited by pavlor on 25-Apr-2015 at 09:48 PM.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Apr-2015 23:02:33
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your not answering of my question is also telling |
BigD doesn't even have a PPC accelerator in his classic systems as they were "too pricey." Not only is he encouraging others to spend money on expensive systems he himself is not prepared to buy, but also gobshiting about who is/is-not allowed to give opinions about an OS he doesn't even run himself.
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An apology to the people who are at least prepared to pay money to run it under emulation would seem to be in order, as would reigning in the hypocrisy a bit.Last edited by Boot_WB on 26-Apr-2015 at 12:21 AM. Last edited by Boot_WB on 25-Apr-2015 at 11:04 PM.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Apr-2015 0:23:48
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WE HEREBY DECLARE THAT THE "HYPERION ENTERTAINMENT BANKRUPT" THREAD IS BANKRUPT.
THERE IS NO REMAINING VALUE IN THIS THREAD. ALL ASSETS HAVE BEEN SEIZED BY CREDTORS, THERE IS NO GOODWILL, NO INCOME AND NO CHANCE OF A TURNAROUND. SHAREHOLDERS HAVE LOST THEIR PROXY. ANY FUTURE CLAIMS TO ASSETS OR ANY OTHER VALUE PERTAINING TO SUCH THREAD ARE HEREBY DECLARED NULL AND VOID.
Signed,
FEDUP and ANOID Barristers & Solicitors LLC
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Apr-2015 0:30:52
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According to Wikipedia Amiga and AmigaOne are different brands.
"AmigaOS is the proprietary native operating system of the Amiga and AmigaOne personal computers."
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Apr-2015 1:21:19
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This could be part of Commodore history... |
Commodore supported Windows.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Apr-2015 1:29:52
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Why? Just because someone committed trademark rape? |
Ironic... _________________ Using: One Commodore C64 - One Commodore Amiga 500 - One Commodore Amiga 1200 with BVision and Blizzard 68060 with PPC coprocessor running Amiga DOS - One Hellbillylitre Amigatwox86x64x6000x running Windows7 |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Apr-2015 8:49:25
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According to Wikipedia Amiga and AmigaOne are different brands. |
Wikipedia as source of wisdom. I thought this change of EVIL-MCDUCK will please some...
Amiga and AmigaOne computers are two distinct series of computers with Amiga brand. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Apr-2015 8:50:40
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Commodore supported Windows. |
Nothing bad with that - they had Commodore PC series and Bridgeboard add-on cards for Amiga computers. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Apr-2015 9:29:18
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I think the chip is added value to the AmigaONE X1000 anyway. The capable developer wants surely to exploit it to its limits, while the not only makes gossip about it.
There are restrictions and constraints in every technology, you should be aware of it from the Commodore A500 days, with coders pushing the machine to its limits.
Ciao
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