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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Feb-2015 2:00:34
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Seriously? Well, firstly I'll address the "again" part of your question......... You do realize that the word "again" proceeds a first time. You never asked in the first place. I get the idea is for you to be antagonistic/difficult, but sorry guy Im just not interested in playing that game, no matter how much you embarrass yourself.
As for the actual question, even though you was just being a smartass I must say it's a very weird question. What are you a robot? ....... "need input, need input, tell me what to think".
You do see how ridiculous your post was right? What people wish for is their own prerogative, but *again* (see, I can use this here 'cos Id already made the point) it's entirely possible for people to have their own preference while wishing others well. The fact that you've had to have this pointed out to you is bizarre (well, not really, as I, as others see you as very transparent here, but to humor you lets say I played along with your nonsense).
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Feb-2015 2:35:53
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Yes, most of the problem is backporting and maintaining compatibility using a bunch of pre-processor conditional statements which make C sources less readable and maintenance a pain. Look no further than AWeb and probably now PPaint.
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Intersting choice of examples
AWebs portabilty crufts is main concentrated in a few spscific files, but teh aweblib plug code is hideous. I didn't set that scheme up, just worked with what Fabio A setup before me. With ten years more coding experience I pleased to say PPaint is much cleaner and I've deleveloped a set of functions for dealing with certain differences. Though the original 'runtime portabilty' of PPaint (same 68k ran from 1.3 to 3.9) brought a seperate set of headaches when compiing for OS4.
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Debugging on os4 is so much nicer with the GR.
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It would be so much easier if the 68k classic version of the AmigaOS was allowed to continue development, with or without the AmigaOS 4 sources. The first things to add after bug fixes would be changes to the APIs to improve compatibilitiy with other Amiga operating systems. It looks like Warp3D might be headed to the 68k AmigaOS again which would improve compatibility between AmigaOS 4 and 3. Backporting Reaction would be another good candidate before MUI takes over all other Amiga operating systems. There is too much development time wasted by the fragmented Amiga APIs. I imagine it's a nightmare when developers from outside the Amiga community research porting their programs to the Amiga. I guess we will see what A-Eon does now that they have a little more influence (perhaps from their bailout?). They seem to be more 68k AmigaOS friendly.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Feb-2015 7:08:14
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| @fishy_fis
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Well, firstly I'll address the "again" part of your question......... You do realize that the word "again" proceeds a first time. You never asked in the first place. |
i did actually, in post #508. shouldnt be too difficult for you to check.
as for the rest of your post, the question is serious. i certainly might expect that the outcome, an os4 user would think of, is that hyperion reverts the bankruptcy and all proceeds as before... but perhaps some changed their mind already and (however difficult and unlikely that is) would prefer that aeon buys off the os and takes over, while hyperion remains history. im not sure if any of these alternatives is actually profitable to a genuine amiga user, maybe the second one could be less of a disadvantage, given the former attitude of both companies. what aros and morphos fans would like to happen might be still another matter. but maybe there is still another realistic alternative, i didnt think about. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Feb-2015 7:23:48
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Sounds good to me, if we all played nicely together, and if not together then didn't keep fighting over forgetten principles |
which means if everybody would just support os4? because what these forgotten principles would be? amiga?
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The issue is backporting stuff to 68k not the other way round. |
good for you, but how do you expect an amiga user to be motivated to support os4 if he is refused support himself, even if for technical reasons. this is an the example that os4 fans expect, that their preferences must be necessarily favourable for and supported by other amiga enthusiasts.
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Much to dificult to comment on that lot without bending NDAs |
which is another example, why it is rather hard to expect loyalty, while keeping all essential information that might (or might not) motivate support secret from those, support is expected from.Last edited by wawa on 25-Feb-2015 at 07:30 AM. Last edited by wawa on 25-Feb-2015 at 07:29 AM.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Feb-2015 12:13:25
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| @cdimauro post #434
Cesare, your opinion.
If you don' t like OS4 just avoid it instead of throwing shit over it, both software and hardware sides, from http://www.appuntidigitali.it/ Italian blog!
If, instead you want to be constructive, join the OS4 development team and show your skills, talent and what you are capable of.
AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition is a great achievement anyway and a big effort of many people. Such OS will continue to exist as long as there are people who don' t like the mainstream systems.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Feb-2015 17:18:23
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Feb-2015 18:11:53
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 25-Feb-2015 19:01:43
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It appeared to motivate others too to do the same as there was quite a number of people who ordered both a machine and the software in January for which Acube have been working to clear.
A big thumbs up to ACube also who mistakenly forgot to include my AmigaOS 4.1 CD with my new machine.... they responded to my email and within hours it was dispatched by courier.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Feb-2015 11:19:57
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I'll chip in my two cents and scream out that I am happy with Amiga OS 4.1 Final Edition and i'll admit its release and reduction in cost combined with a reduction in the cost of obtaining an AmigaOne 500 machine motivated me to upgrade from my 20 year old Amiga 1200.
It appeared to motivate others too to do the same as there was quite a number of people who ordered both a machine and the software in January for which Acube have been working to clear. |
I already had a machine but it had effectively been mothballed and yes, the excellent value for money price of 4.1FE persuaded me to spend money on Amiga software for the first time in a decade. I'd be surprised if I was the only one who did so._________________ Robert -- A1XE G4, OS4.1. Peg1 G3, MOS 1.4. Abel Soul - Check out our tunes on Spotify |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Feb-2015 13:24:04
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Feb-2015 18:46:22
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I personally would Love to see OS4 in the hands of another party. Maybe then we could get some movement. Specifically revival of "Project Moana" or whatever its called to bring OS4 to PPC macs instead of crazy expensive alien hardware platforms. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 26-Feb-2015 19:49:56
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realize wrote: Maybe then we could get some movement. |
Try THIS. Perhaps it will help. _________________ Tinkering with computers. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 28-Feb-2015 8:31:16
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Massi wrote: @cdimauro post #434
Cesare, your opinion. |
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If you don' t like OS4 just avoid it instead of throwing shit over it, |
Interesting. Of all the critics that were made on this thread, "just by a lucky case" you've chosen mine. Weird.
As also YOU clearly stated before, I've (just!) expressed my opinion. Like all others.
If you don't like it, well, I can survive... and you can always ignore me and live happily, right? Quote:
The articles that I've written have solid technical basis. If you don't think so, you are free to write comments on the articles and "correct" me.
But if you "simply" don't like them, well, I can survive, like I already stated. And you have the option to don't read them, as well... Quote:
If, instead you want to be constructive, join the OS4 development team and show your skills, talent and what you are capable of. |
I already made my choice for the post-Amiga era: AROS. And I'm spending my little time on/with/for it. Quote:
AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition is a great achievement anyway and a big effort of many people. Such OS will continue to exist as long as there are people who don' t like the mainstream systems.
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That's a "non sequitur", since there are already people which don't like the mainstream systems, but don't use AmigaOS4... |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 1-Mar-2015 10:00:02
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| @cdimauro
I don' t like the fact that you wrote those articles with the only evident purpose to throw shit over OS4, both software and hardware!
All articles go to the same direction, all have the same conclusions: that OS4 is crap and it is defunct!
All people here can verify my words, articles written in Italian only, I can translate to English where needed: http://www.appuntidigitali.it/
Nothing more to say.
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Sorry for the off topic.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 1-Mar-2015 12:29:26
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| @Massi
In other words you don't like reality and therefore anyone pointing out facts = bad?
Most Amiga fans know and accept that both hardware and software are "crap" but still like using their systems... |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 1-Mar-2015 13:34:34
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I disagree that most of Amigans think their system, hardware and software, is "crap".
Of course there are good and bad things in every system, but someone only sees the negativities ... always.
In general, if you don' t like OS4, why you waste your time with it?
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 1-Mar-2015 13:53:57
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| @Massi
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In general, if you don' t like OS4, why you waste your time with it?
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as example, because it constantly gets in the way of actual amiga users, claiming its heritage, displaying itself as appropriate up to date version of some obsolete "classic". you get forum sections dedicated to genuine amiga hardware questions declared appropriate and used for os4 hardware topics, even though dedicated sub forums exist. you get companies trying to convince their products being genuinely and officially "amiga" even they cannot be openly called that. and so on.
if you are forced into that kind of obtrusive company then you are also forced to respond to it. simple.Last edited by wawa on 01-Mar-2015 at 01:54 PM.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 1-Mar-2015 13:57:00
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claiming its heritage, displaying itself as appropriate up to date version of some obsolete "classic". |
Well, it is up to date version of AmigaOS. As I can now compare both OS4 and OS3, I agree OS3 is obsolete - lacks features and not developed anymore. I will rather not campare with current state of AROS 68k. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 1-Mar-2015 14:52:34
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| @Massi
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In general, if you don' t like OS4, why you waste your time with it? |
...because they can not stand that many have fun using it? That we choose it instead MOS (and especially reading latest threads) AROS? Because AOS still has something which attract people despite constant delays and hw super high prices? But I tell you, the more they attack, the more I'm sure, I will not try the alternatives, if OS4 fails...
What I do not undarstand is no reaction from the site owners. For OS4 user this place became almost unbearable..._________________ Sam440ep-flex 800MHz 1GB RAM R9250 128MB SB Live!
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 1-Mar-2015 15:03:55
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But I tell you, the more they attack, the more I'm sure, I will not try the alternatives, if OS4 fails... |
it would be a nightmare if one day majority of os4 users came flooding over dragging along their attitudes to the alternatives just because their os was dead. its annoying enough on amiga forums/sections. |
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