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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 27-May-2015 20:19:09
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RTF is dead. Even Word Online you are probably using doesn't support RTF. |
RTF is fine for basic text, just because M$ threw it out with the bathwater doesn't mean it's lost all use 
Why a file format needs constant development is beyond me. If it ain't broke don't fix it!_________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 27-May-2015 20:52:57
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Why a file format needs constant development is beyond me. If it ain't broke don't fix it! |
RTF was broken by design from very beginning...
There are several different revisions of RTF specification and portability of files will depend on what version of RTF is being used by wordprocessor. RTF specifications were changed and published with major Microsoft Word versions.
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just because M$ threw it out with the bathwater doesn't mean it's lost all use |
It is not just Microsoft. Most of the cloud office programs doesn't support it. It has no sense add something that is already dead anyway.
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 27-May-2015 21:01:19
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It is not just Microsoft. Most of the cloud office programs doesn't support it. It has no sense add something that is already dead anyway. |
Add? Final Writer already supports an old RTF spec.
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 27-May-2015 21:04:44
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Some basic updates that are required before anything is released.
1. Turboprint support is needed as Final Writer didn't support proper 24 bit printouts 2. Proper RTG support since the current version has issues with anything beyond 8 bit screens. 3. Bug fixes... Keyboard mapping issues etc 4. Proper locale support. 5. My personal wishlist item is ODF support we'll see if it makes the initial release or not.
As for other features they all take time and I make no promises as to how soon they can be implemented. |
TBH I'd pay 30 - 50 US for FW97 as it stands if it came with a proper manual The list above is plenty enough for me to put some money down. |
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 27-May-2015 21:16:50
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It has no sense add something that is already dead anyway. |
It is not dead if it is still useful! Inter-compatibility with PC/Mac/Linux will require RTF as an option and it will be easier functionality to incorporate as there is an old RTF spec already supported in Final Writer!
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 27-May-2015 21:25:38
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| Not to be too nitpicky, but FW97 also supports saving to html, which I believe is still a widely supported markup language 
if RTF works, who cares if its "dead"? Word, AbiWord, LibreOffice all open RTF, so why is this such a crabfest? |
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 27-May-2015 22:46:12
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I'm just happy to say I have the first new build in 18 years running on my machine. :) |
Great! looking forward to an OS4 version!
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 6:51:05
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 15:27:29
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Not to be too nitpicky, but FW97 also supports saving to html, which I believe is still a widely supported markup language
if RTF works, who cares if its "dead"? Word, AbiWord, LibreOffice all open RTF, so why is this such a crabfest?
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Don't ask me as I have no intention of removing it if it already works. Actually the nice thing about dead standards is they stop becoming a moving target. :)_________________ Support AROS sponsor a developer.
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 17:32:54
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Actually the nice thing about dead standards is they stop becoming a moving target. :) |
True but surely there's a difference in the terminology "dead" and "not actively developed" in relation to file type standards? _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 18:01:40
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That's excellent news, if you need beta testers I'm sure you will find lots on here, including me. Is there going to be an Amiga OS 4 native version? I hope so or a 68k version that runs well under OS4! _________________ SAM 460 with 2GB or RAM, 1000GB HD, 4 port SATA, DVDRW drive and Radeon HD 4650 GFX card. |
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 19:46:19
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Certainly as a matter of fact 1.3 is the latest spec on RTF and shouldn't be too hard to implement. It's just a matter of if it's worth the time updating the loader.
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 19:47:02
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AOS4 native version is planned as is AROS and MorphOS.
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 20:45:42
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 21:10:43
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Oops you are correct 1.9.1 is the 2008 spec :)
And I like the ODF wish too we'll see how far the loader comes :)
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 28-May-2015 21:24:24
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Actually latest Rich Text Format (RTF) specification version is 1.9.1 used in M$ Office 2007. |
That sounds about right. M$ give us the last iteration of RTF (a useful feature) in Office 2007 as well as the first iteration of the bloated icon eyesore that is the 'Ribbon' (a pointless feature)! 
I'll be forced to use the 'Ribbon' at work from tomorrow but since M$ Office's old menu structure was so ubiquitous and widely understood I really don't see the point of it to be honest. I'll probably keep it hidden most of time to hide those horrible icons and just use the small quick reference icons for most of the common tools I use. It will be a pain to have to unhide the 'Ribbon' just to select a font, font size and choose alignment options though. I guess I'll be using more keyboard shortcuts to try and avoid using the 'Ribbon' unless I have to. M$ must think they know best just like Apple do. We are a slave to this monolithic companies with their habit of spoon feeding us work flows and innovations that no one asked for Last edited by BigD on 28-May-2015 at 09:25 PM.
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 29-May-2015 7:50:07
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Just a straight port to PPC for AmigaOS4.x and/or MorphOS, is not that useful to me, but depending on new features and compatibility with existing word processing file formats, I would have no problem paying $100 to $150, for a top notch Word Processing, or Office Suite for MorphOS, AmigaOS4.x & AROS.
I would hope that such an amount would give me all three executables, or a combined executable that can run on any of those 3 systems. An updated 68k version would also be nice. _________________ Amiga! The computer that inspired so many, to accomplish so much, but has ended up in the hands of . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 29-May-2015 9:17:50
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| Well, one thing about RTF... I was recently researching publishers to submit a planned novel to, and one particular publisher (seems to me it was Tor) requires all submitted documents be in RTF format. So, yeah, RTF would be a necessary evil, even if it is "dead." :D
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 29-May-2015 20:47:55
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Some basic updates that are required before anything is released.
1. Turboprint support is needed as Final Writer didn't support proper 24 bit printouts 2. Proper RTG support since the current version has issues with anything beyond 8 bit screens. 3. Bug fixes... Keyboard mapping issues etc 4. Proper locale support. 5. My personal wishlist item is ODF support we'll see if it makes the initial release or not.
As for other features they all take time and I make no promises as to how soon they can be implemented. |
May I suggest a different approach? How about releasing many smaller updates for a lesser price?
Start with the feature set as it is, with minor bug fixes and easy enhancements, but still as a 68k binary (I'm assuming that's pretty much what you have now?), for a price of something like 30€. Then, for the features you mentioned, updates are made available once the feature is done for 5-10€, depending on effort and end-user value.
This way the time-market will be lower, and the users would get something to use and pay for, and be able to see progress being made. The users who wants all features at once will have to wait for the final release, and then pay for all the individual updates. Furthermore, the development would focus on getting one feature stable, instead of risking destroying the entire build by trying to fix too many things at the same time.
There's been far to many projects that have stalled due to the sheer volume of work needed for a first release which is discouraging for both developers and users (I know what I'm taking about , see my signature).Last edited by jaokim on 29-May-2015 at 08:49 PM.
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Re: Final Writer-Feedback required about future development Posted on 29-May-2015 20:59:07
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I would buy at least 1 copy for MorphOS and I'd be willing to pay $50.
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