@OlafS25

A lot ! But probably as it window hosted we benchmark now windows drivers, which of course one of the best ones on the world for now :) All those modern tricks and stuff in use in full power and co.

What will be interesting also to see, its runing of cow3d on native x86 aros, where all that noveau/gallium involved, so to see aros's driver's speed.

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@kas1e

I think AROS runs hosted with full speed like any application

Hard to beat for anything amiga-related :)

I could only test it in VMWare because I do not have dedicated hardware at the moment

I think that 3600 FPS are the maximum you can reach (with all optimized) in theory

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@OlafS25

Windows hosted = no 3D acceleration. You are benchmarking the software rasterizer in Wazp3D.

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Windows hosted does not make any use of the hardware? I thought Warp3D is a wrapper on MESA/Gallium. All demos (MESA) work in Windows hosted.

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@BSzili

Your thinking of WinUAE or vmware, Aros Hosted does not run on WinUAE or vmware.

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Aros Hosted runs on Windows

@Olaf
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I think AROS runs hosted with full speed like any application

I mean we now trying to compare native 3d drivers of all amiga flavors, so to make fair and interesting compare we need to check cow3d on the natitve aros with noveau/gallium.

If BSzili is right, and window hosted aros do not have working wazp3d->opengl wrapper, then you benchmark a CPU.

In any case, window-hosted will not show us much, and we need native x86 aros with real noveau/gallium in use for our tests.


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I could only test it in VMWare

That one can be interesting too as well , why not :)

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@kas1e

How much Ghz has the X1000? I am still a little wondering why FPS are so low. Assuming that the 3600 FPS were more or less CPU power, shouldn´t the X1000 FPS (as example) not be much higher? I read 200 FPS max.

I will do the test with VMWare either.

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x1000 are 1.8ghz, but some may think that PCIe of x1000 may be just not so good. At least seems that PCIe in the SAM can be better than in x1000, and in x5000 it can be better than in sam and in x1000.. At least that can explain Cow's results.

Anyway, 3600 its just way too much.. At least if 3D in window hosted trasnfers via wazp3d to real window's drivers, then it can explain speed. But if it just CPU , then dunno if it possible to be so much faster :)

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@kas1e

on aros.-exec are more results:
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9181&forum=2&post_id=94550#forumpost94550

@kas1e

is it not the other way round? Wazp3D uses MESA/Gallium on AROS and is just a wrapper for the calls?

@OlafS25

As i see 3600 on vmware from Seiya (and 7200 where / when?) , which is same as for you on window hosted (strange)..

Also i see from "amiga" user about 650fps on Acer Aspire One ZG5 in graphical mode native "Intel 945". But is it gallium or software again ? Did gallium 3d works on that config ?

Maybe also screen resolution make sense as well ? We need something like 1280x1024 in the system as well.

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Wazp3D uses MESA/Gallium on AROS and is just a wrapper for the calls?

As i know - yes. And if gallium3d works, then all in HW , and if no gallium3d the SW mode.

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i see a strange results.

i compiled Cow3D on vmware but crash in AROS with real x86 hardware and Gallium 3D

i re-complited Cow3D from real hardware and i have 2 fps with Intel Core2 Duo @3.16 Ghz + nVidia Geforce GTS 250-
in wireframe i have 57 fps

now i post new version re-compiled with icarsos-desktop 1.5 on real hardware

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i have alternate fps:

3600
7200
3600
7200
3600
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I have found this:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/OpenGL#WARP3D

"Then on September 2011 Wazp3D was linked to Mesa 3D for hardware enhanced 3D."

that sounds like Wazp3D (=Warp3D) calls MESA 3D subsystem in AROS (what would be logical) and the 3D subsystem either renders it or uses 3D drivers.

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@kas1e

I think he wrote VESA. So I do not think that it is 3D accellerated

@Seyia
Something wrong then with benchmarking. I mean, if it show 3600 for window hosted and for vmware on different machines .. Also, strange why it jump for you exactly in 2x, like 3600/7200.

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i re-complited Cow3D from real hardware and i have 2 fps with Intel Core2 Duo @3.16 Ghz + nVidia Geforce GTS 250-in wireframe i have 57 fps

What you mean by "wireframe" ? I.e it 2 fps from run, and after a while 57 fps ?

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on real hardware x86 with gallium 3D it run at 2 fps at default.
If i press "L", the Cow become in wireframe, and of course is faster, but not so faster..


Here this strange double result on vmware:

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/seiya27/media/Icaros-Desktop%202.0-2015-04-13-19-24-31_zpsll4mqz76.png.html

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/seiya27/media/Icaros-Desktop%202.0-2015-04-13-19-24-48_zpsjwm9lhn2.png.html

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@OlafS25
Windows hosted has no 3d acceleration.
Wazp3d is mainly a tool to run 3d apps without a 3d accelerator.

It works also on raspberry and odroid.

Linux hosted has hostgl which allows to use host opengl.

@nutsaboutamiga
Aros hosted is not running inside a emulator or a virtualization
It runs as application as like a game or office suite....

Instead of drivers which bang the hw, it has drivers which talk to the host os api's but itself acts like a native windows exe or linux binary.

This is a gigantic difference.

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