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OlafS25 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 11:58:39
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@itix

yes I know but the thread on amiga.org was created by (how shall I call it) a very dedicated MorphOS supporter and this thread the same. This kind of threads strike back on the whole MorphOS platform. Such issues should be solved where they belong, in the background and silent. If not then it is ok when people discuss it on the related website but on general websites it only creates aversions and negativity and does not solve anything.

That from a proud member of the "opensource mafia"

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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 12:09:48
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@OlafS25

olaf, cant you get over that "opensource mafia" comment? sorry, but it sounds almost as much butthurt as tripos. as for yasu who started the thread on aorg, he does not strike me as morphos extremist, and the subject is rather serious, as it occures to be regular practice rather than an isolated occurence.

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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 12:24:05
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@itix

Does the Morphos dev team ever used CBM includes or any other materials based on them (book etc.) to build their own ones in one way or another? (same for autodocs , I don't even talk about having access to the original source code which was spread back then by AT)

To me carbon copy or a smart copy where no one can see the difference is the same thing in the end.

If your anwser is no then can you explain how they were build?

Kamelito

PS this came to mind seeing all this "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 12:26:32
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@itix

You should have kept thing private a bit longuer maybe...
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terminills 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 12:50:35
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@OlafS25



Quote:
Such issues should be solved where they belong, in the background and silent.


Because that has worked so well over the past 15 years?

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wawa 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 13:05:50
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@kamelit0

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PS this came to mind seeing all this "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"


do you realize, stones have been cast all along, and now you contribute to that making accusations without supporting them on an actual case:

Quote:
Does the Morphos dev team ever used CBM includes or any other materials based on them (book etc.) to build their own ones in one way or another? (same for autodocs , I don't even talk about having access to the original source code which was spread back then by AT)


because for as much i have observed things on aros, it has been built by proper reverse engineering. feel free to prove us otherwise. not just try to make things look relative, because of what *could* be.

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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 13:06:02
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@TRIPOS

The same Evert Carton that said : AROS is "probably illegal".

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OlafS25 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
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@wawa

he has not talked about Aros but MorphOS...

@terminills

but here such issues are solved better?

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Daytona675x 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 13:22:14
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@itix

I don't want to downplay the issue, I just find one thing here not too fair towards the accused neither:

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There was a cool down period when Piru was waiting for an answer and only after that made it public at Morph.Zone.

Personally I find the "cool-down period" way too short. According to Piru he notified Hyperion on the evening of Sept. 4th (weekend). And he brought the issue to the public on MorphZone on Sept. 5th, only the night plus some hours later.

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Hyperion had a chance to handle it behind the scenes but they didnt take the ball.

IMHO not even near enough time to have given Hyperion a true chance to handle it "behind the scenes".

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wawa 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 13:22:49
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@OlafS25

Quote:

OlafS25 wrote:
@wawa

he has not talked about Aros but MorphOS...



he was talking in general terms, suggesting that whatever amiga compatible system couldnt be built without ip theft if not directly based on its sources.

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@terminills

but here such issues are solved better?


things wont be solved either way, but does that mean they cannot be spoken out?

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Minuous 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 13:48:12
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There's no problem to be solved anyway, the SDK has been brought into compliance as of V53.30, and no one has shown any evidence to the contrary. So I'm not sure why this pointless thread was even started.

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OlafS25 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:02:11
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@terminills

interesting comment by Georg on morphzone

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11342&forum=3&start=25

interesting if true...

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phoenixkonsole 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:12:58
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@OlafS25
Interesting... I take back my offer because I Need my Money now to pay own lawyers.

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Calm down and enjoy the nice Weekend! Let the "official" parties, involved, scratch their eyes out.
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If it is not your own work or Money... well try to ignore it. Who cares? Both parties are playing "companies". It is up to them if the Play it hard or soft.
It is not your Job to start a flame ware and disturb this community which was quite peacefull druring the last months..

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OlafS25 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:15:54
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@phoenixkonsole

yes I have written my part now... now good fun with "red" vs. "blue" war that many here seem to enjoy

I will sit back and observe :)

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OlafS25 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:17:32
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@phoenixkonsole

never mind wrong understanding :)

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Daytona675x 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:19:08
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@OlafS25
He directed that sentence "At the firestarters:", not @Olaf

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OlafS25 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:20:47
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@Daytona675x

sorry

thanks i overread that

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cgutjahr 
Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:21:46
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@OlafS25:

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Such issues should be solved where they belong, in the background and silent.

Why? A commercial OS vendor is repeatedly violating other people's copyrights - in which other (i.e. not Amiga-related) scenario would you demand that the offended party "keeps this silent"?

@terminills

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Because that has worked so well over the past 15 years?

I guess that depends on your definition of "working well". Knowing the persons involved, they probably do think the problem is solved because (a) they 'fixed' it and (b) the thread on the official forums has been deleted. Everybody who still doesn't shut up is either a MorphOS developer or a troll, obviously.

That said, it's obvious that getting upset about any of this is pointless. The wannabe decision-makers left in the OS4 camp seem to think they're entitled to do whatever it takes, because it's "for the Amiga" and "we're Amiga now". And the remaining faithful - all five of them - seem to think that constantly looking the other way is in the Amiga's best interest.

One of these days I'm going to start a bounty - let's pay Hyperion and A-EON to stay well clear of the "AMIGA" and "AmigaOS" marks. That way, those of us who do actually care about the Amiga's legacy and what happens to it could finally let go, while the OS4 crowd can keep this travesty going without any of us bothering them. That's a win-win scenario, right?

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phoenixkonsole 
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Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:24:44
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@Daytona675x
Yep.. but at first I forgot to make this clear.. so it looked as if I ansered directly to Olaf - my fault.

@everyone
Look I find it really shamefull that People use such topic to write tons of words, while other doing something usefull get ignored..

Example:
Check this
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7513

or this:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40535&forum=16

Take this:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7512

This community is full of positive things. And again:
It is not our Job to solve those issues. Both parties are "companies". They are grown up men. They can solve those issues behind the Scenes completely on their own.

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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK
Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:37:58
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@cgutjahr

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One of these days I'm going to start a bounty - let's pay Hyperion and A-EON to stay well clear of the "AMIGA" and "AmigaOS" marks. That way, those of us who do actually care about the Amiga's legacy and what happens to it could finally let go


That still wouldn't address the RetroInfinity kickstarter though or any of the others with Commodore and Amiga IP ambitions. The competition to damage the legacy further is in full swing you know.

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