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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 13:51:08
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I agree Piru could waited few days more.
Edit: actually no. It was right... Last edited by itix on 12-Sep-2015 at 06:30 AM.
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 14:06:11
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Does the Morphos dev team ever used CBM includes or any other materials based on them (book etc.) to build their own ones in one way or another? (same for autodocs , I don't even talk about having access to the original source code which was spread back then by AT) |
I don't know because I came to the MorphOS team much later, in 2005 or 2006. I know only that autodocs covering 3.x API is coming from AROS. For header files, I have no slightest idea who wrote them. But if you compare them using diff tool they don't match ever line by line (i.e. different number of spaces everywhere).
I certainly read CBM books and autodocs inside out and know lot more of internals than average developer.
When I had to document OpenCatalog() in locale.library I did look at the original autodocs so that it won't look even accidentally similar to the original text. I had seen it many many times already.
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To me carbon copy or a smart copy where no one can see the difference is the same thing in the end. |
Then don't copy.
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If your anwser is no then can you explain how they were build? |
You can certainly to use MorphOS SDK to build OS4 and its programs. It is not prohibited. In fact when I build my AmigaOS projects I use headers from the MorphOS SDK._________________ Amiga Developer Amiga 500, Efika, Mac Mini and PowerBook |
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 15:29:57
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 15:42:43
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For header files, I have no slightest idea who wrote them. But if you compare them using diff tool they don't match ever line by line (i.e. different number of spaces everywhere). |
Please, tell me, why there is empty line between "#define ERROR_NO_MORE_ENTRIES 232" and "#define ERROR_IS_SOFT_LINK 233" in dos.h of MorphOS 3.9 SDK?
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 16:49:00
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As it was last patented by Apple Inc |
That's like saying this patents the wheel.
Just because someone uses a btree in a patented innovation doesn't mean they patented the data structure.
Considering the data structure was introduced by Rudolf Bayer in the proceedings for a 1971 workshop, any patent (which would have to precede the publication) would be well and truly expired by now. |
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 16:56:47
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| @OlafS25 The part about the timezone graphics is absolutely untrue. I designed them more than a decade ago so I should know.
I find it very surprising that Georg would make a baseless accusation like this.
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Both parties are playing "companies". |
I fail to see how Harry "Piru" Sintonen is "pretending to be a business" by publishing a note on his own private website that discusses a copyright violation relating to work that he himself had created. |
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 17:19:32
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| We all know that the morphos devs spend alot of time looking in the amiga sdk so i can not believe that Thore did anything intentionally wrong.
In my book Thore is a real hero, a big thank you for reviving the original mui and also bringing it to os4. I use it on all my rtg amigas. I hope we see Mui5 from you someday.
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 17:42:12
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eder wrote: @TRIPOS
The same Evert Carton that said : AROS is "probably illegal".
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I've come to accept that this will haunt me forever. It would help though if you would not take this message, the AROS being illegal, out of it's context. But I don't even hope for that anymore
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 17:53:53
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If it's one guy, on his own, who cut corners like that and hoped it wouldn't get noticed, then that is an entirely different thing than if Hyperion as a company made a decision to include that bit. It sounds rather more likely it was the former, rather than the latter. And yet we have this other guy then making a big stink across multiple forums that "Hyperion stole my stuff!!!" Not very professional, I'd say. oO
On the other hand, if it was just this one guy inserting this one little blob of stuff into the SDK, then you can bet that guy is going to at least have a stern talking to by the staff at Hyperion, one that will burn his whiskers clean off, and he will richly deserve having his whiskers burned clean off. oO
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The problem being that Hyperion is the publisher, and a commercial entity, Hyperion is liable for the mistakes of it's developers. And errors do occur, as in "shit happens", but then Hyperion should have corrected the matter. Looks like they didn't even bother. I can't see the so-called "corrective actions" or the release of an updated SDK as ... call it "adding insult to injury". And I agree with Piru, the mere fact that they did publish an update is an admission of guilt.
I also agree with Piru, that regardless of the gravity of this offense, it's actually somewhat pathetic^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hironic behaviour for a company that's always been happy with threats of legal action in similar but the-other-way-round cases.
And about the whiskers being burnt off, I have my doubts but I'll happily be proven wrong
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But the MOS btree guy going in breathing fire and spitting nails about "Hyperion as a company stole my stuff!!!!" isn't exactly the wisest of actions either. Oo I'd say he, too, deserves to have his whiskers burned clean off via SOMEone's stern talking to.
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If you do look at Pirus's message, it's actually very level-headed. He did contact Hyperion about the matter ...
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 18:13:00
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You need to donate now. iirc you owe €30 to the charity of your choice. :)
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 18:15:12
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He did contact Hyperion about the matter ... |
I'm not so sure he did, that would have destroyed the fun.Last edited by smf on 11-Sep-2015 at 06:15 PM.
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 18:20:41
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terminills wrote: @jorit2
You need to donate now. iirc you owe €30 to the charity of your choice. :)
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That would be 40, not 30. Ever heard of Final Calc ?
That would actually be 50, including this one :-p
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 18:28:51
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by smf on 11-Sep-2015 14:15:12
@jorit2 Quote:
Quote: He did contact Hyperion about the matter ...
I'm not so sure he did, that would have destroyed the fun.
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And yet you seem so willing to imply he didn't.
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 18:29:09
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Is it really 50 now?
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 18:41:07
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And I agree with Piru, the mere fact that they did publish an update is an admission of guilt. |
How about thanking Hyperion for a quick fix? Or is this damned if you do, damned if you don't?
MUI isn't part of OS4, it's a contribution, but I agree the responsability for errors falls into Hyperions lap.
NomadOfNorad is a former classic user, never got involved with any NG systems, so never involved in the red/blue war, so basicly an outsider looking at the antics of a few mos supporters who enjoy every chance to put down Hyperion. What he posted was right on target, so it seems the blue side is doing more harm to themselves with these kind of posts.
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 19:25:33
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How about thanking Hyperion for a quick fix? Or is this damned if you do, damned if you don't? |
The problem is how you define "fixed".
Is fixed silently replacing the file while pretending nothing happened?
Or is it someone who is a figurehead coming out and saying "Oh sorry during our creation of the SDK we hadn't noticed that there were problems with any files"?_________________ Support AROS sponsor a developer.
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 19:27:12
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sundown wrote: @jorit2
[quote] How about thanking Hyperion for a quick fix? Or is this damned if you do, damned if you don't?
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I have a feeling I won't have you change your mind.
But I did download the SDK, yes, the updated version, if only for not having to rely on hearsay.
Changing a comment style from /* */ to //, with very limited change of wording, 'cause that's basically what it comes down to, is not what i would call a fix. So I stand by my original comments, including the "adding insult to injury" part.
I do happily admit I have a strong bias against Hyperion, and sure, it does taint my posts and my attitude towards everything Hyperion, there's no sense in denying that. But I can for the love of ... not understand how you can claim with a straight face that this is a fix ...
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What he [NomadOfNorad ]posted was right on target, so it seems the blue side is doing more harm to themselves with these kind of posts. |
I beg to differ
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 19:32:24
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Your choice. |
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 19:33:52
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| @ASiegel My post is a reaction to this thread and this gives the impression that someone stole something from mos.
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Re: Copyright Infringement in OS4 SDK Posted on 11-Sep-2015 19:55:04
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I have a feeling I won't have you change your mind. |
Nope, but to be accurate, I'm supporting the os4 developer team more then Hyp.
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Changing a comment style from /* */ to //, with very limited change of wording, 'cause that's basically what it comes down to, is not what i would call a fix. |
Your're getting picky now, if no one is complaining, then thats a fix.
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I do happily admit I have a strong bias against Hyperion, and sure, it does taint my posts and my attitude towards everything Hyperion, |
Was pretty sure that is the case, but I do value honesty._________________ Hate tends to make you look stupid... |
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