@utri007

Why do you consider this nonsense?
Not having a go, just curious.

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@thread

Just pick a bare bones x86/x64 COMMON system that has parts where we have drivers on PPC for, for around 150-200 USD.

Based on next gen versions of GFX/AUDEO/IO chipsets get a hypothetical quote.

For example if a PC has driver for audio chip 4, then have a deal thats compatible with version 4 and 5 etc.


Get a quote by visiting Hyperion discus obstacles to overcome to create a PORT - I think around 20k should do it.

Start up a kickstarter to fund it, Im sure we could fund 20k in around 2 years

Failing Hyperion, consult Amiga developers privately for quotes.

Or Freelancer.com developer 6+ years experience, 15+ USD per hour professional. (work a few hours per week - supervised online eg skype).

Dont let AROS hinder your resolve. AmigaOS4 has paid professional developer teams, AROS does not.

#1 is to get CHEAP HARDWARE for the people prefer UNDER 100 USD, 100 to 200 USD acceptable.

#2 FUND PORT to x86/x64

#3 FUND PORT of Blitzbasic to C + 24k GFX support.

Whatever NEW SYSTEM is built we will BREAK compatibility. So be it. PORT or rewrite.

Too many projects FAIL because they want compatibility, fix it later if needed.

Custom hardware is hopeless waste money. Fun Games making system, hardware and software, attach XMB so we can use it as our own console.

Hire developer from Freelance.com, setup online store for games and apps & developer portal + ratings - price around 800 USD ( I had similar job priced for php server).

Developers would come IF :

Cheap to develop ON (hardware ~200 USD)
Easy to program (software Games API or RAD for games)
Website to purchase game assets (images, sounds, code for games )
In game purchase (developer can make some money paid direct to developer portal)
Great TUTORIALS to create games.
Purchase game source code market

I know alot PC users and they call Windows software CLUMSY, BLOATED, SLOW. They use it. But dont love it.

We have seen what Amiga Leaders are doing, some may even like bits - but we know what they are not doing.

For a platform to succeed it needs to be cheap, then the people work together to improve it. I loved Amiga because it did everything I wanted and more the way I wanted it to be done.

Amiga has lost being as fun, it does not do the thing I want it to do and I dont think - wow that was clever or helpful.

Our OS should be so portable that porting to a mobile should be a no brainer !

I know alot of people have belief not be obsessed with MONEY or creating MONEY. Sorry DEVELOPERS need to be PAID and they create the software we want.

Every FINANCIAL opportunity that you dont do, is equally classed as a LOSS in potential earnings to you.

Look at this thriving community of game code we are MISSING out on !

https://www.scirra.com/store

Where is our Gaming Universe for programming ?
What are the FUTURE generations of KIDS going to learn in programming ? Drag n Drop ?



Cheap MINI PC

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@utri007

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Eleven pages nonsense about nonsense. I would like to say that it surprises me, but it doesn't. :(

We saw no other way to get you entertained, interested, distracted from tomfoolery and kept busy and happy all in one stroke and, lo'and behold! we're doin' quite a good job it seems.

You could have ignored and steered clear of this thread instead of raining on our parade of utter fantasy and vivid imagination. Please don't spoil our pleasure.

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@asymetrix

Why not funding Aros?

The progress of the dev team on Aros certainly is not worse than the progress on AmigaOS and with more manpower more could be done

What is the advantage of AmigaOS here?

@OlafS25

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What is the advantage of AmigaOS here?

It is AmigaOS?

@tangoone

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tangoone wrote: @Raffaele Okey let me say it like this. Most of us now use a amiga as a secound computer, ok. ? So how can we produce some hardware that still is a classic amiga but will bring us forrward that will be something that can be a entry level amiga. ?

64 bit dual core at a price of... Let me see... What about maximum of 399 euro (if we could keep a new motherboard in that range of price) should be sure a boost to revitalize Amiga market and make our hobby lesser expensive, leaving us some spare money in our pockets.

And if Hyperion and MorphOS team then will succed in enhance both operating systems to support 64bit CPU technology and SMP, it sure will be a benefit (and even if in the future it will be necessary a change to ISA migrating to X86 or ARM Cortex technology, then using PPC 64, even for a limited amount of time, it will be a necessary experience)....

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@pavlor

no but that is no advantage...

@OlafS25

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no but that is no advantage...

I don´t share your opinion.

@Raffaele: did you ever saw anything about supporting 64-bit? Nothing, and for well reasons: it kills backward compatibility. That's why you'll never see a PPC64 version of OS4 (MorphOS, instead, will move to x64).

SMP has issues too, though they claimed that they are working on it. Will see how they will manage to solve them AND keep the compatibility with existing 68K and PowerPC applications, which seems to be the most needed thing for OS4 users.

@pavlor

i know

you are a BANF

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@Raffaele

Yes, I agree, the first step in supporting some hardware is having the hardware.

I actually think the CPU is not that important, that important, I imagine SMP work the same on one CPU to the next, as 64bit there are many ways that can work.

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@pavlor

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It is AmigaOS?

OF course!
Everything after 3.1 is AmigaOS, after all the authors had valid licenses.
Hey, its got the trademarked name, right?

It's 'real' AmigaOS.

@OlafS25

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you are a BANF

What is a BANF?

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@cdimauro

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SMP has issues

Yes, you can't retain compatibility unless you box the entire legacy OS and run the enhanced version outside of it.
That has been known for awhile.
Why do you think the Friedens are not too enthusiastic about the SMP kernel (compatibility maybe)?

@iggy

BAF is "Blind Amiga Follower", BANF was my extension to "Blind Amiga Name Follower"

@iggy

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What is a BANF?

Blind Amiga Name Follower.

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@OlafS25

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"Blind Amiga Name Follower"

Ah, I love it.
While some have continued to wait and take what they get from their "paid programmers" and licensed hardware vendors, some of us just went "to heck with it, we will do it ourselves".

I've always been of the opinion that after Gateway, there hasn't been a legitimate holder of the rights to the Amiga (except maybe Cloanto with its prior claim to Workbench).
After all, if you follow the convoluted licensing and questionable transfers of rights after Gateway, the claims to ownership look pretty threadbare.

So, outside of the name issue, who owns Amiga community?
We do, of course.

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@iggy

for some "the name" is important for others not... I personal do not care

It has still some marketing value in real world (what was visible with CUSA anf the attention they got for their rebranded PCs) but you need both competitive/attractive products with competitive prices and there those who current use "Amiga" are and will fail.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Raffaele Yes, I agree, the first step in supporting some hardware is having the hardware. I actually think the CPU is not that important, that important, I imagine SMP work the same on one CPU to the next,

SMP has a precise definition, which Mr. Solie tried to change to fit his needs, some time ago...
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as 64bit there are many ways that can work.

Are you talking about having different ABIs? Or, better clarify what are you talking about.


@iggy

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iggy wrote: @cdimauro Quote: SMP has issues Yes, you can't retain compatibility unless you box the entire legacy OS and run the enhanced version outside of it. That has been known for awhile.

If you take a look at this forum, it's from long time that OS4 users want both: SMP and backward compatibility. They are waiting for a miracle...
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Why do you think the Friedens are not too enthusiastic about the SMP kernel (compatibility maybe)?

Don't tell me: I was aware of these problems, and I've already talked about it years ago.

It doesn't make sense to waste so much time to add another patch to an archaic o.s.. Instead, it's better to go for a modern, rock-solid, o.s. which is inspired by the Amiga o.s., and relegate backward compatibility to a sandbox.

@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: ......... AND keep the compatibility with existing 68K and PowerPC applications, which seems to be the most needed thing for OS4 users.

Bullshit!
Speak only for yourself. You most certainly do not speak for me.



If you want compatibility, need compatibility, absolutely can't live without compatibility, guess what?

Compatibility IS available!

Yes! Even on a 64bit dual core PPC processor. (OS4.1 FE)

Now lets move along and let these guys discuss a possible future, and if that means moving away from the past......then lets get on with it.

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@cdimauro

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Why adding RS232?

It's needed for debugging purposes. If the hardware doesn't boot and looks dead in the water this is the first port of call after basic checks. It's also needed to grab a crash log if there is a system lock up.