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BigD 
Re: Bounty to prototyping a new cheap Motherboard with "Serious" CPU! Phase 1 (Specs)
Posted on 4-Nov-2015 22:50:24
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@iggy

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Besides, its just an exercise in seeing what can be done.


It's best to check before hand, it's what any serious businessman would do. I expect the market is already saturated and the only thing we're missing is a laptop.

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@THREAD

Dont forget Hyperion has *GOT* a x86 licence to port AmigaOS4 since a long time.

Just need a quote from Hyperion.

X86 with AmigaOS4 would be great for developers - cheap systems they could get their hands on to create the software.

I dont care what is UNDER THE BONNET - That was the point of Amiga.

Complete system 150-200 USD.

Even a laptop is possible. If Raspberry pi can get a Laptop shell and add hardware so can we.

http://www.pi-top.com/#/product


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@klx300r

X86 or better X64 does not magically solve the problem, expecially the missing software but... try to sell your friends Tabor or X1000 or X5000

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@BigD

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it's what any serious businessman would do


A serious businessman would run like hell away from the Amiga market.

I had my serious business phase in the '80s and '90s selling custom 68K systems.

This is purely because I want to.

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@OlafS25

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try to sell your friends Tabor or X1000 or X5000


There are no more x1000s.
I simply don't like Tabors design.
Seriously considering the x5000.

And what about the SAM460?
It is still in production.

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@klx300r

ut overprized outdated hardware is the answer

the truth is (next to missing drivers) that our platforms have to offer innovations like new special software and services that justify using it. People today have only few real computer knowledge, much less than in the past, but much more use computers in different forms. Offer them something that is "cool" then they will use it.

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@BigD

sorry to say that but PPC is a dead end and when AmigaOS sticks to it it will die with the last processors. For good reasons MorphOS team announced a ISA change. If "AmigaOS" is really so important to you then you would need to support a ISA change.

BTW you already own AmigaOS now?

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@iggy

I forgot Sam 460 not available
X1000 out of production
X5000 still not in production

short: nothing to sell

Asking him trying to sell Tabor to his friends was only theoretic of course

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If "AmigaOS" is really so important to you then you would need to support a ISA change.


Neither AmigaOS nor MorphOS is likely to survive an ISA change with many users unless there is a massive increase in the user base on the current PPC hardware. My guess is we are still hemorrhaging users each year due to no interesting new software not because of PPC.

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@OlafS25

Acube's stock levels are just plain weird.
They sent me a notice yesterday that they were back in stock, I checked, they were available.

Today...nothing.

What do they do, runs of 50 or less?

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@olegil

I agree with you. Your logic is sound.

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@Olegil
Your missing out on the fun!


He hasn't missed any of this fun... And has most likely actually done more than the rest of us combined.

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@iggy

I like the way you're thinking too. It's the kind of thinking that should have been prevalent five or so years ago.

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X86 or better X64 does not magically solve the problem, expecially the missing software but... try to sell your friends Tabor or X1000 or X5000


well now that's different because a small portion of my computing fanatic friends are old amigans so they actually did invest in Sam boards and a few have X1000's BUT alas this is not the market we're looking for! It's the other NON-AMIGANS that we need to show an interest in our platform.

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I forgot Sam 460 not available
X1000 out of production
X5000 still not in production

short: nothing to sell



that means they sold out because there was a demand. I'm sure A-Eon or ACube would not bother with new systems for their marker if their previous ones didn't sell

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NON-AMIGANS that we need to show an interest in our platform.


Software development would have to go into exponential growth for that to happen which is possible but how many killer apps will appear?

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@klx300r

ut overprized outdated hardware is the answer

the truth is (next to missing drivers) that our platforms have to offer innovations like new special software and services that justify using it. People today have only few real computer knowledge, much less than in the past, but much more use computers in different forms. Offer them something that is "cool" then they will use it.


well let's just say I'm invested in ALL my systems & that keeps my interest going.

I agree that much more than hardware we need software and full driver support. The cool part is easy for me as I think all my miggies are COOL BUT how to convince a younger generation that never knew or experienced an Amiga is the question

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BUT how to convince a younger generation that never knew or experienced an Amiga is the question


Introduce it to them as they grow up. My 2 year old already recognises and loves Rainbow Islands and Deluxe Pacman.

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@klx300r and @Fransexy

No one is saying that AmigaOS on x86 is the solution to all the problems. And your eagerness to bring up AROS as an example shows your lack of argumentative maturity, a.k.a arguing from ignorance.

This thread does not talk about AmigaOS world dominance or even increasing sales outside the Amiga community. It's about the many of us that just can't justify spending the current asking price to join the AmigaOS 4.1 PPC Club.

As an Amiga person I to have tried AROS and have not continued to use it. Not because the idea of an Amiga-like experience on relatively low cost x86 hardware is a poor one, it's the lack of software for me to be productive or even entertained.

What AROS has done is amazing and I wish it were more, and maybe some day it will be, but given that it is a community developed open source project there's only so much that can be done.
But like someone else said in this thread, AROS isn't AmigaOS 4.x (paraphrasing)

So in the question of Develop new better value for money power ISA motherboard vs. Spend the effort porting AmigaOS 4.x to existing value for money x86 boards, the sane answer is Port the OS. But that is all academic as Hyperion looked into it a while back and there is just too much involved given the current OS architecture. Drop $500k on them and they'll reconsider.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand" - Abraham Lincoln
So the core benefit of AmigaOS, MorphOS, and yes AROS as well being on x86 is that the net pool of users is much larger. More users means larger market for Amiga software.

I know there are some elitists out there that like the fact that they've paid the "club membership" price and that not everyone is prepared to. Let's just call it a hobby and who cares if there's not enough club members to justify new application developers.

A-Eon for classes and Acube for the masses?

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A-Eon for classes and Acube for the masses?


It seems that way. I can't see it changing to be honest. Hyperion, A-Eon and ACube have fought for this situation and porting to x64 is a huge gamble, even bigger than the X1000 & X5000 projects. Would they recoup the expenditure? Would it kill the AmigaOne hardware projects? Would it further fragment the market? Would all backwards compatibility and hence all unique selling points be lost? These are the considerations and since PPC is not quite finished the decision does not have to be made right now just viewed as a contingency.

Also, all the new money invested into the Amiga scene is coming via A-Eon a hardware company. Hyperion is basically working for A-Eon and ACube and by porting to x64 they would be destroying their best customers by giving people the option to just buy from PC World rather than Amiga companies. A-Eons software projects are not mature enough to keep the company going without the hardware sales!

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