@BigD

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the A-Eon/Hyperion plan needs to be successful with its current products and to grow the user base before we can talk about porting to x64

If the plan is to grow the user base by selling old software on expensive hardware it's time for a new plan.

Porting the OS is impractical. It needs to be reinvented.

@bison

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I thought the boards were already made and in a warehouse somewhere. I must have remembered that wrong.

We know X5000 board are already stored, waiting for sale. About A1222 we know only 1000 boards were ordered.

@bison

the boards yes. The OS not. They could only sell it with Unix now. As Pavlor we do not know how many already are produced.

X5000 is ready except that only MorphOS and Unix is working on it. About current state of AmigaOS I have nowhere read anything.

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@cdimauro

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free attacks that I receive only because I'm writing something which people doesn't digest.

I believe is more because of your attitude, often aggressive and unfriendly to impose your view, almost never constructive ... you get what you give.

I think you should be more friendly and your technical knowledge would be much more useful and thus appreciated.

Hope we all can have a better dialogue.

Ciao, buona giornata

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@ne_one

Seriously, if you see no value in the current code base for Amiga OS4.x then,

A) Why do you care to comment on NG Amiga issues at all?
B) Just use another OS and stop flogging a dead horse as you obviously see it.
C) Stop telling developers to rebuild an OS from the ground when you probably want buy any of their products for the foreseeable future even if they put all that work in and spend millions of pounds doing it

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@BigD

C) .......


coming from you ???

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@Kronos

I am not asking them to start from scratch. I think the products look interesting, it's just the price point that has been a problem. The X5000 is a step in the right direction, as is the AmiStore as is the A-Eon software aquisitions as is AmigaKit releasing the Prisma Sound Card for classic Amigas. The list goes on. We haven't had it this good since Phase 5 went bust. We might not get back to the mainstream but the Amiga is alive and that wasn't a given when Eyetech left the market.

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@ne_one

"selling old software on" you should learn to program, problem solved.

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@BigD

The "plan" to get successfull on PPC first and than... ??? hasn't worked when Eyetech was around, it hasn't worked when OS4 was released for the Pegasos2, not when the SAM440/460 were brand new nor with the X1000.

It has not worked to the extend that Amiga fanatics from 1st world countries are still sitting on the fence 14 years later ...

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@Kronos

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that Amiga fanatics from 1st world countries are still sitting on the fence 14 years later ...

So what there are other options available, People are just complaining not doing anything.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Right now, or when this plan's became obvious 10(++) years ago ?

- focus on an ISA shift with limited compability

- bring the OS into the 21st century on allready supported HW instead of adding more and more stupid/overpriced HW

- port the OS to (PPC)HW that actually is affordable and reasonably powwerfull at the same time

Any on of those would have been better than doubling down onto what has already failed (several times).

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@Kronos

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focus on an ISA shift with limited compability

AROS? Doesn´t seem to attract substantial community (10000+).

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bring the OS into the 21st century on allready supported HW instead of adding more and more stupid/overpriced HW

This will not bring new users if supported hardware is not for sale anymore.

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port the OS to (PPC)HW that actually is affordable and reasonably powwerfull at the same time

MorphOS? Same as AROS above. Ultra cheap, reasonably powerful hardware and still only cca 3000 sold licenses (with many users owning more than one)...


I think idea behind Tabor project is to bring cheapest possible new hardware with some modern features (PCIe, multiple cores). Although SoC choice is weird (I could write insane ), it will be price what will decide Tabor´s fate.

@Kronos

I was thinking from a user point of view, there is AROS, There is MorphOS, and there the classic system, you can buy, if one is not happy with AmigaOS4.1 and AmigaONE hardware.

But to reply to your cooperate thinking.

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- focus on an ISA shift with limited compability

Yes so way don't people do that?

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- bring the OS into the 21st century on allready supported HW instead of adding more and more stupid/overpriced HW

No because Amiga4000 68060 50 Mhz with upgraded was like 50000 NOK / 5000 EURO used when I looked at in 1999, for the most part it was not possibly to buy it fully built system, only as parts. Sellers where capitalizing on lack of hardware where demands where high.

And we are talking about Amiga4000, with Zorro to PCI adapters, we also have to remember we have broken buster chip, slow interface, and relatively outdated PCI interface on top, supporting modern graphic card on hack like that is a horror show.

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- port the OS to (PPC)HW that actually is affordable and reasonably powwerfull at the same time

I sort of agree with this one, if hardware is going to be expensive, then it might not make sense not to build it, there might be expensive hardware that is better then what your trying to build, used for servers.

The Power5/7 servers are many times as powerful as PaSemi chip.

Porting to XBOX or PS3 won't be an option because MS and Sony are too protective about hacking.

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@pavlor

Never tried to argue that these "ideas" would lead to great success and sales in 5 digit numbers !!

Just pointing out that they would not be as bad as whats being done right now.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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The Power5/7 servers are many times as powerful as PaSemi chip.

T4240 1.666 GHz: 6.86 SPECint_base2006
POWER5+ 2.1 GHz: 10.1 SPECint_base2006
POWER6 4.7 GHz: 17.8 SPECint_base2006
POWER7 4.14 GHz: 29.3 SPECint_base2006

I estimate 4 SPECint_base2006 for PA6T 1.8 GHz.

@pavlor

Tabor?

outperformed by any pocket calculator

will bring lots of users for sure

before you write Vampire 2 is even more slow... I know but it is at least different and has some "geek factor". Both lack your preferred PPC solutions.

@OlafS25

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before you write Vampire 2 is even more slow... I know but it is at least different and has some "geek factor". Both lack your preferred PPC solutions.

As proven by success of 4.1FE Classic, there is some demand for this OS even among "classic" crew. Some may even consider cheaper dedicated hardware... or not.

@Massi

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Massi wrote: @cdimauro Quote: free attacks that I receive only because I'm writing something which people doesn't digest. I believe is more because of your attitude, often aggressive and unfriendly to impose your view, almost never constructive ... you get what you give.

No, it's the exact opposite. It's because I'm attacked that THEN I change my behavior. It happens continuously, and often by the same persons.

In short: mine is a reaction.
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I think you should be more friendly and your technical knowledge would be much more useful and thus appreciated. Hope we all can have a better dialogue.

Absolutely. I immensely prefer to discuss of technical things, without any scuffle. But don't ask me to rest passive in front of attacks.
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Ciao, buona giornata

Grazie, e anche a te.

@pavlor

10.000 users?

LOL

Neither AmigaOS or MorphOS have anything like that. I assume that all NG users combined today are 2.000-3.000 worldwide (AmigaOS+MorphOS). 10.000 and more can only be mobilized by the 68k community including those with UAE.

@Kronos

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Kronos wrote: @pavlor Never tried to argue that these "ideas" would lead to great success and sales in 5 digit numbers !! Just pointing out that they would not be as bad as whats being done right now.

The only part of that post that stood out to me was,

'being done right now'.

It's just different than,

I wish somebody would do something.
Nobody is doing anything.
What happened to this or that project or the other one?

Being done right now.

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