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Tomppeli 
Re: Is the pre-order for X5000 going to start?
Posted on 2-Jun-2016 13:16:21
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Re: Is the pre-order for X5000 going to start?
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I think AROS is behind in everything compared to AmigaOS and MorphOS. Also all three have gotten pretty much similar development over the years. Some improvements to MUI, transparent windows, porting to a couple of more hardware and not much more really. At least A-Eon have made RadeonHD and W3D Nova for AmigaOS.


Err..... AROS have had Gallium3D since 2009. You know, the one that Hyperion has worked on at least 5 years so far.

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Re: Is the pre-order for X5000 going to start?
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Re: Is the pre-order for X5000 going to start?
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In case you haven't noticed. Friedens say lot of things, delivering is different story.

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And where that Gallium is used ?


afaik among others, as underlaying driver infrastructure, offering noveau pool of drivers, but since im on 68k i have only ever tried to run some demos after loading softpipe resource. so yes, its intergrated into the system as far as i know.

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A couple of games ? Is it used to accelerate video playback ?

aros x86 benefits from the architecture that offers hsrdware acceleration in many aread ppc and 68k can only dream of, since such contributed components like gallium are coded with x86 in mind almost exclusively these days.. but then, what would you use gallium on os4 for, then? a couple of game ports?

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And wasn't it a "quick port", and mr. Frieden said he will create a proper Amiga like API instead of a quick port which is more ambitious and most likely will take more time.

what precisely constitutes a proper implementation in this area as contrary to a quick port in your eyes? what "amiga" api would that be? warp3d? so far we know even warp3d nova introduces different api than the obsolete warp3d, and what would be a benefit of adopting obsolete interfaces, given there is almost no software that takes advantage of it.not to speak of, that every single software oprt needs to be rewritten against that interface, instead of a standard one it was genuinely written for. as result first thing to do, is to write a wrapper to get around that freshly introduced handicap.

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@Tomppeli

Gallium3D for AROS wasn´t "a quick port". Ask deadwood...

http://www.aros3d.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=15

And Wanderer does take advance of it, the whole package contains 2D-hardware-acceleration for nvidea-cards, too.

And yes, it is well integrated in AROS. So what´s your point? Is it so hard to believe that AROS is advanced in this area?

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Re: Is the pre-order for X5000 going to start?
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Port the gallium to aros have not the same difficulties as port it to amigaos or morphos.
In any way it can be done but belive me if i say the gallium ppc will be not faster in performances as the gallium of x86 ... this because x86 have much asm parts inside..
Plus i think the gallium was not port to amigaos because full of endianess and right now on linux ppc the endianess are really much and not fixed.

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Re: Is the pre-order for X5000 going to start?
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@Rose

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...delivering is another story


Like the mythical kernel for 4.2 that is supposed to allow features that we don't have because they break compatibility?

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Re: Is the pre-order for X5000 going to start?
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And Wanderer does take advance of it, the whole package contains 2D-hardware-acceleration for nvidea-cards, too.

And yes, it is well integrated in AROS

Nice to know and thanks sharing info.

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Is it so hard to believe that AROS is advanced in this area?

No, of course.

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@WolfToTheMoon

I think AROS is behind in everything compared to AmigaOS and MorphOS. Also all three have gotten pretty much similar development over the years. Some improvements to MUI, transparent windows, porting to a couple of more hardware, (and AROS having Gallium) and not much more really. At least A-Eon have made RadeonHD and W3D Nova for AmigaOS. People demand more from Hyperion. (AmigaOS is delivered on a CD including a proper quick start guide. AROS & MorphOS offers only downloads.)

But I agree partially with you. I think the whole community is tired of development speed of AmigaOS during past few years. And Hyperion and AmigaOS devs knows that very well but can not help it for a reason or another.

Edit: I changed the text so hopefully nobody have to complain anymore.


You don't appear to have changed the first sentence, or is that now different (though still incorrect and insulting to AROS programmers and users). Why do some few AmigaOS4.x users (which I believe you are one of from looking at your signature, authentic fanatic of the one true blah, blah, blah) continue to spew out uninformed statements with zero facts to back them up, about other OSes which they obviously don't use, or aren't interested in using? Did you feel someone else in this thread was throwing stones at the windows of your religious temple (AmigaOS4.x/Hyperion)?

AROS might not be as polished in a few areas as AmigaOS4.x, or MorphOS, but it certainly is ahead, not "behind in everything", as you seem to think, when compared to AmigaOS4.x and MorphOS, in some areas. And in response to your statement regarding Hyperion not being able to help it (the incredibly slow progress of development) for a reason or another, there can only be a few reasons, two of which would be lack of resources (time, money & man power), or incompetence of the programmers. You can choose which reason to believe in.

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yes aros is wonderful expecially here native will be better Lol

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Oh, you can run 20 years old software which runs fine on 486! REALLY IMPRESSIVE!

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Oh, you can run 20 years old software which runs fine on 486! REALLY IMPRESSIVE!

yes on aros

ps:eduke is libgl.so port ... who wanna understand understand

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Re: Is the pre-order for X5000 going to start?
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This has been asked before. But since your hardware is i5 level (your claim about your G5 system and another that X5000 is faster than it). Why we still don't get benchmarks from http://openbenchmarking.org/ . It would be really good marketing thingy since it's so fast.

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@Rose

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Oh, you can run 20 years old software which runs fine on 486! REALLY IMPRESSIVE!


Maybe you should try this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT_KIvnz2rg

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There was a mountain of sarcasm which you missed.

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Let's say one programming task, be it porting software from an alien platform or writing it from scratch, takes 100 hours to finish. An employee under salary has usually 40 hours per week. 100 divided by 40 = 2,5 weeks. 10 employees have 10 times 40 hours = 400 hours per week. 100 / 400 = 1/4 week = approx. 1 day (5 work days per week). A hobbyist, having another job to make living, being able to give 2 hours per week for that project means 100 / 2 = 50 weeks which is almost a whole year. So to get the job finished is 1 day, 2 weeks or one whole year depending on how much money you can spend. 1 day, 2 more weeks or a year !


This misses a key point: not all programmers are the same. Programming is not some manual task where people are roughly the same at it. The best hobbyist developer doing a few hours a week in the evenings can produce more and better results then the regular guy doing it for a day job. One has a special talent; the other does not.

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Let's call this "Amigasis"

Traditionally True Amigans declare technology useless if they don't have it. If it's kinda one that people in general need they declare it just "bad tech". But when they get a half ass implementation of said technology it's reason why their choice is best on the world and others pretty much are tools of satan.

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yes i like Cube 2 but Red Eclipse too

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@Rose
Lol

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Are you scared of independet standard benchmarks which you cant rig?

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