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icedigger 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 28-Feb-2017 18:17:44
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@Debaser

I run a little one man computer repair shop for both macs and pcs. Been doing this since highschool 18 years ago.

I have a little fund for "education" purposes. Basically to buy tech and books to keep up with everything and further educate myself. Buying the Amiga I consider an educational and fun experience.

That is my experience with computers in general.

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Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 28-Feb-2017 18:31:49
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@icedigger

Welcome. I hope you enjoy using your new system.

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Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 28-Feb-2017 22:02:31
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@wawa

Take a breath and make a smile. If you spotted the various smileys you can perceive it was a joke...

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Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
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icedigger 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 1-Mar-2017 3:28:17
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Just received word that it will be delivered in 2 days!

Possibly only one day. Only shipping from NY to Philadelphia.

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Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 1-Mar-2017 7:51:04
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@icedigger

Cool! Just in time for the weekend!

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Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 1-Mar-2017 18:26:04
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@icedigger
I'm not sure what comes pre-installed on an X5000, so you may immediately need to download some "essential" software:

* a (relatively) modern web browser called Odyssey:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/odyssey.lha
(YouTube can be gotten to work, however is likely to be slow, so better to use a stand-alone program - see later.)

Odyssey may need a more up-to-date version of MUI than what comes with OS4. If so you can get MUI-5.0-2017R1-os4.lha here:
https://muidev.de/downloads

* an email client, while some will suggest YAM, I prefer SimpleMail & I gather it supports slightly more modern technology (HTML emails, IMAP, actually working SSL) :
http://simplemail.sourceforge.net/index.php?body=downloads (the one on OS4Depot is 1 year out of date for some reason)

* if you want a music player, then the old (free) version of TuneNet is great:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=audio/play/tunenet/tunenet.lha
(if you want fully working internet radio support, then buy the latest commercial version from AmiStore, as part of the Enhancer Software bundle.)

* if you want to play DVDs, then MPlayer has working DVD Menu support, as well as good support for video files too:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=video/play/muimplayer.lha (old but nice GUI)
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=video/play/liveforit-mplayerng.lha (much faster, but no GUI, and requires RadeonHD v2 driver that you can get from AmiStore, as part of the Enhancer Software Plus Edition bundle.)

If you find any DVDs slow, then you may get better results from an optimised commercial program called DvPlayer, however it doesn't support DVD Menus so finding the right part of the disk to watch can be tricky sometimes:
http://dvplayer.amistore.net/download.html
(OS4 comes with a demo of it as a Contribution I believe, or it used to anyway)
(DvPlayer does NOT need the latest RadeonHD driver, what comes with OS4 is fine)

* a modern friendly video player, just released, called Emotion (demo of full version) :
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=video/play/emotion_demo.lha
If it doesn't seem to work, then you may need to buy the full version of the RadeonHD driver, which can be got from AmiStore:
http://www.amistore.net/
(install that, then you can either buy the driver on it's own, or more advisably buy Enhancer Software Plus Edition so you get the latest 3D drivers too, plus a lot more software - my favourite being the TuneNet music player)

* to watch YouTube without any speed problems (especially Full Screen), it's currently best to use SMTube:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=video/play/smtube.lha
Which requires QT to be installed:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=library/misc/qt-minimal.lha
As well as a version of MPlayer (see above for the two best versions).

* for viewing pictures, there are a TON of programs to choose between (many of the best need to be bought). I can't possibly list all of them, so I will be extremely biased & just pick my own quirky viewer, which is free:
http://aminet.net/package/gfx/show/PictureAlbum
(You'll either love how it works, or hate it. And it's not the fastest viewer, since it relies upon DataTypes to decode pictures, but I think it's still pretty good.)

There is of course a ton more software out there (and word processors is a complex topic), but I hope that covers the more "common" things you might want to be doing. But this website should get you started:
http://www.amigaos.net/applications

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ChrisH 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 1-Mar-2017 18:30:36
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(oops, double post)

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Rob 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 1-Mar-2017 18:36:56
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@ChrisH

All boards and systems from AOTL come with Enhancer as standard so Tunenet and the RadeonHD drivers are included.

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Rob 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 1-Mar-2017 21:09:54
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@icedigger

Welcome to the Amiga forums.

What drew you to the Amiga and what were the deciding factors that lead you to purchase an X5000?

I look forward to your appraisal of the OS and hardware, both the good and the bad.

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Raffaele 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 2-Mar-2017 8:24:48
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@Rob

Yes, I am very curious too to read opinions from a user completely new with our platform and experienced using other systems...

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icedigger 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 3-Mar-2017 1:05:31
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Thanks a bunch guys!

Just got it in today and am playing around with it. Really neat so far!

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Rob 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 3-Mar-2017 4:53:10
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@icedigger

Make sure to have a good browse through OS4 depot, there plenty of software to chose from there.

There only a few pieces of software that take advantage of the Warp3D Nova API at the moment. Amicraft is the first game and there a couple of benchmarking programs.

http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=game/misc/amicraftnova.lha

http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/misc/starboxdemo.lha

https://keasigmadelta.com/assets/Uploads/Cow3D6-NoInfoBar.lha

There at games at the two site below.

https://www.amigasoft.net/category/games/

http://hunoppc.amiga-projects.net/software?platform=3&sort_by=created

A lot of them require Warp3D which is the old 3D API. I'm not sure if Amiga On The Lake supply the Warp3D driver but if not you can purchase it on Amistore.

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Kay 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 3-Mar-2017 9:37:07
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You're a lucky man. I would be very interested to hear more about what you think about the machine and what you are doing with it.

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QuBe 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 3-Mar-2017 9:37:47
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@icedigger

Congrats icedigger... enjoy!

Q!

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AmigaOldskooler 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 3-Mar-2017 11:26:47
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@icedigger

Nice! Have fun!

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icedigger 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 3-Mar-2017 14:19:23
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The biggest thing is how do I turn it off safely? I don't see a shutdown menu anywhere so I have just been hitting the power button.

I found that it is very easy to install programs, just extract the lha and put it anywhere you want.

Folders are called drawers.

Just learning the basic basics so far.

What is the best file manager and office program (spreadsheet and wordprocessor)?

Also whats a compatible sata expander board to buy as I see it only has 2 sata ports on the mobo?

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Raffaele 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
Posted on 3-Mar-2017 15:18:01
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@icedigger

Quote:

icedigger wrote:
The biggest thing is how do I turn it off safely? I don't see a shutdown menu anywhere so I have just been hitting the power button.


If you are performing no save/load operations with Hard Disk, just turn it off your computer with power button.

AmigaOS at this moment makes no deep use of MMU and has no Virtual Memory files opened all around on Hard Disk, so no danger of turning off computer with risk of trashing Hard Disk during writing operations.

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I found that it is very easy to install programs, just extract the lha and put it anywhere you want.


Sometimes they need their libraries to be seen by the system. No necessary copying them in the main Libs: Directory.

There is a powerful command in AmigaDOS called ASSIGN.

If you edit with any Text Editor the file called S:User-Startup you can create entries in it for any software you install, keeping all the system clean and no messing it.

For example

Quote:

;BEGIN MyInstalledSoftwareName

Assign Fonts: Path:MyInstalledSoftware/Fonts ADD
Assign Libs: Path:MyInstalledSoftware/LIbs ADD

;END MyInstalled Software

Comments start with semicolon ";" character.
Their purpose it is just to separate the section regarding your installed software and do not messing the User-Startup file with trash.



These lines will add LIbraries directory and the Fonts directory of the software you may install, to the main system path recognition, so you can start your software without the problem of trashing system directories with unwanted files, as in Windows.

To uninstall your software, just delete its directory and edit these lines in the User-Startup, wiping them out.

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Folders are called drawers.


And all-purpose applications are called "tools" or "utilities"

Quote:

Just learning the basic basics so far.

What is the best file manager and office program (spreadsheet and wordprocessor)?


Best File Manager is DirectoryOpus, often shortened as DirOpus.

You may find its last version 5.9 at this link:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/dopus5allamigas/

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Also whats a compatible sata expander board to buy as I see it only has 2 sata ports on the mobo?


As long as AmigaOS 4.1 should occupy a minimal part of Hard Disk (How is big 4.1 Final? i don't remember, (300 Megabytes? 500Megabytes?) With an Hard Disk of 1TeraByte you have plenty space for AmigaOS partition, Linux partition
, Software and and Data partitions to deal with.
In the future best choice for expanding your storage is buy a NAS attached to your LAN.

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Posted on 3-Mar-2017 15:20:17
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@ChrisH

Quote:

ChrisH wrote:
@icedigger
I'm not sure what comes pre-installed on an X5000, so you may immediately need to download some "essential" software:

* if you want a music player, then the old (free) version of TuneNet is great:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=audio/play/tunenet/tunenet.lha
(if you want fully working internet radio support, then buy the latest commercial version from AmiStore, as part of the Enhancer Software bundle.)

I'd suggest AmigaAMP over the old version of TuneNet (disclaimer: i haven't tried the newest TuneNet from AEON). You can find it on the official AmigaAMP page

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icedigger 
Re: Hello everybody. New Amiga guy.
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@Raffaele

Thanks for all that info.

I already do have a 48TB windows server 2012 r2 essentials server in my house. I have not started on figuring out how networking works yet.

While we are on that, what is a good backup software and also can I backup to my server?

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