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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 11:47:03
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Just throwing it in here;

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16 Apr 2017 12:23

wawa t wrote:

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okay, so what the both p96 apollo core drivers (one initial written by thor, the other by jason) are for, in your educated opinion?



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Lets not confuse people.
The driver started by Thor - was never really working.
Only the driver done by Jason did fully work and
only this one was ever provided for download and used by the people.

The second driver which is really working and will be published soon was done by flype.


http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=4848&x=1

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 12:02:03
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@Trixie

You're absolutely right there Trixie.
The trademark the only asset Bill has left, and I doubt any of our concerns will affect whatever decision he makes.

@tonyw

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Hyperion has hardly any of the code from OS 3.5/3.9


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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
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@Overflow

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okay, so what the both p96 apollo core drivers (one initial written by thor, the other by jason) are for, in your educated opinion?


since its taken out of context, i wrote it to some misinformed forum attendant, not to gunnar.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 12:24:58
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@wawa

Yeah, apologies for that. I was considering removing your part of that post

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 14:57:53
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@iggy

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Now if someone could get Bill to cough up the rights to the Amiga trademark


Nothing has changed. It still varies depending on country, so I believe it's too simplistic to define the solution quite like you just did.

http://aminet.net/search?query=trademark

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 16:01:38
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@number6

From the content of that reference, it looks like we might just have to wait him out, at least in the US.
The continuing European registrations are troubling.

Do you have any idea what it would take to render them invalid?

AND, if Bill loses ownership, how does someone else gain the use of the trademark?

One smart move on McEwen's part right now would be to immediately seek the use or licensing of that trademark before it becomes a moot point to him.

But "smart" does not appear to be his strong suit.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 16:14:14
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@iggy

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Do you have any idea what it would take to render them invalid?


Not so much a response as to "invalid" as an example of what became of anther Amiga trademark:

ABANDONED - NO STATEMENT OF USE FILED - Applicant has not submitted proof of use in commerce the the USPTO.

I believe that should read "to the" as opposed to "the the". heh.

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AND, if Bill loses ownership, how does someone else gain the use of the trademark?


post #4 confirmed in post#6

Plenty of information here, especially on opposition, which has been a factor before from those with either Commodore and/or Amiga aspirations:

http://www.trademarkia.com/faqs/

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One smart move on McEwen's part right now would be to immediately seek the use or licensing of that trademark before it becomes a moot point to him.


they now have a license to use the Amiga name and boing ball logo

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 16:36:54
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@number6

Well...from the totality of references you've provided, it actually DOES look this simple, Bill is actively using (or at least licensing) the trademark, so he's not likely to lose it.

Which still makes him the man controlling the asset.

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@iggy

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Bill is actively using (or at least licensing) the trademark, so he's not likely to lose it.

Lets refer to AInc, not "Bill" - we don't know if McEwen is still involved.

A trademark registration doesn't renew automatically, that's a manual process - which is why Amiga trademarks have been expiring all over the world in the last few years. None of the really important ones ("Amiga" in US and EU) have been affected yet, so it remains to be seen if it's incompetence or if they're just trying to minimise the amount of fees they have to pay regularly.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 16:50:37
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@iggy

And before people get the wrong idea about the example I cited (OOOooo Amiga is available for the taking), it is THIS trademark that is the one that is still listed as active in the U.S. and subject of most of our discussions:

http://www.trademarkia.com/amiga-73571532.html

as referenced here

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 16:56:01
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Lets refer to AInc, not "Bill" - we don't know if McEwen is still involved.


Obviously the legal control is still Darren B. Cohen, and easily researched as same.

All we have beyond that is rumor that McEwen must be consulted before any action takes place.

But since the "courtesy reminder" that their trademark was about to expire was sent only about a month before the "case licensing", I would assume that the lawyer acted swiftly.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 16-Apr-2017 16:59:59
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@number6

SO, while were going circles here, the point still seems to be that AInc. still holds the trademark in the primary markets.
Or am I missing something?

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Posted on 16-Apr-2017 17:04:37
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@iggy

All I do is read, consult, and post a few hopefully helpful links. I'm not a trademark attorney.

But since we have several trademark attorneys who have visited AW over the years, perhaps one will venture an opinion. (fat chance)

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Posted on 16-Apr-2017 17:23:52
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@number6

Gotcha, but it still begs the question, are will really at the mercy of AInc. here?

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Posted on 16-Apr-2017 17:34:03
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@iggy

First of all, apology for going so far off the thread topic of P96.

That being said, although we briefly reviewed trademark, that's only one thing of importance to people, right? For others it will be that plus...or only the OS. Others might have even more extensive interests.

Therefore, doing something about Amiga Inc. isn't really a solution for everyone, is it?

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Posted on 16-Apr-2017 18:09:15
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@number6

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All we have beyond that is rumor that McEwen must be consulted before any action takes place.

Or rumour that this is no longer the case, depending on who you ask.

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Posted on 16-Apr-2017 18:26:40
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@cgutjahr

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Or rumour that this is no longer the case, depending on who you ask.


So true.

Oh good. I found someone new we can blame for everything;

January 27, 2015

Stroke of luck that was sent in July, followed by the Philippe Lang case licensing...(evil grin)

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@cgutjahr

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Or rumour that this is no longer the case, depending on who you ask.


Has anyone maintained any dialogue with Amiga Inc. in any formal capacity on this?

The likelihood is that Amiga Inc. is using its trademark portfolio primarily as a tax write-off at this point.

The last comment from Trevor Dickinson suggested that any overtures took place a number of years ago and it wasn't clear if A-EON was directly involved or if it was another party.

As far as date-watching is concerned, it's a pointless exercise. Trademarks expire and get renewed all the time. It ultimately comes down to proof of use and who has the resources to fund any litigation.


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The last comment from Trevor Dickinson suggested that any overtures took place a number of years ago and it wasn't clear if A-EON was directly involved or if it was another party.


I gather you mean after CommodoreUSA DID license the trademark, right?

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@number6

His comment at the Amiga Ireland show was that Amiga was approached at one point and wanted an ungodly sum to buy the trademarks.

I believe he meant to secure ownership, not license the right to use the trademark.

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