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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 22-Jun-2021 22:09:50
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I suggest you just get AmigaOS3.2 while you can if it's of interest to you for there is no knowing how this will all end up or if anyone will be left standing! It might all be open sourced by default if Cloanto win because there won't be any money left and the Amiga parties will all be skint!


Good, there are quite a few “enhancements” I wish to roll back to pre 3.2 release versions.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 22-Jun-2021 22:49:16
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Just buy OS3.1 or Cloanto's OS3.X then if you want it all minimalist. Are the bug fixes without the enhancements worth the time to manually install OS3.2 the way you like it?

I personally don't know what all the fuss is about other than the new ROMs and the ease of new install without as many patches. But since I endured getting my OS3.9 systems stable I don't see the need to mess them up! I am still wary about Boing Bags 3 & 4 though they are probably fine. It's nice when someone like H&P has officially signed off on the updates even though it's the same developers doing the work in either an official or unofficial capacity!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 22-Jun-2021 22:50:29
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@thread

Yet another new filing.

131 - Order on Motion for Miscellaneous Relief AND Order on Motion for Reconsideration

This is a court order on 2 of the motions. Unknown atm.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 22-Jun-2021 23:12:27
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@thread

Meanwhile, in another corner of the galaxy:

https://twitter.com/amigamagazine/status/1407452211722981386

This sounds like a repeat of Amigapassion/Retropassion, no?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 22-Jun-2021 23:27:37
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For the love of god do I really need to stop buying from amigakit now as well. What a bunch of twats. I have already stopped buying from hyperion and Cloanto until they sort there shit out. Life in Vampire land is simple with no bullshit copyright crap

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 0:04:25
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That is horrific news! So are all Amiga parties tooling up on IP litigation for the final battle of armageddon or something?

@Matthew
You should be enjoying Wales progressing in the Euros not suing valued members of the community in an area of business unrelated to your core business! Have you learnt nothing from Hyperion alienating the community. They may have won the AmigaOS license but they've lost the hearts and minds of the Amiga faithful! Do you feel lucky carrying on down this path?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 0:13:41
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@legal@amigakit.com

You know you're not wanted! We are a peaceful bunch of retro users who just want to read a magazine and buy a 9-pin joystick switcher with CD32 compatibility (still waiting for the boards to be populated). But instead you're getting paid for sucking the blood out of a hobby/cottage industry that doesn't have the money to spare. Leave Amiga Addict alone and stop giving bad council to a company that can ill afford to alienate its customer base in this way!

... unless I am speaking to Ben in which case; I completely understand! You are just trying to take every single last Amiga entity down with you! You're nearly there brother, just keep pulling that thread!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 0:21:28
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@Thread

It must be Ben's Sith apprentice because legal@amigakit.com sure sounds like him on Twitter:

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The TM7A form is *not* opposition. It is simply a formal standard mechanism to give us up to a month to communicate with Simulant Systems Ltd.



So legal threats are now a standard mechanism in Amiga-land!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 0:25:35
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@Thead

Someone's customer reputation just went up in smoke!


No remaining X5000 AmigaOnes without OEM AmigaOS 4.1FE licenses were harmed in the posting of this unrelated photo!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 0:51:14
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@BigD

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@legal@amigakit.com

You know you're not wanted! We are a peaceful bunch of retro users who just want to read a magazine and buy a 9-pin joystick switcher with CD32 compatibility (still waiting for the boards to be populated). But instead you're getting paid for sucking the blood out of a hobby/cottage industry that doesn't have the money to spare. Leave Amiga Addict alone and stop giving bad council to a company that can ill afford to alienate its customer base in this way!

... unless I am speaking to Ben in which case; I completely understand! You are just trying to take every single last Amiga entity down with you! You're nearly there brother, just keep pulling that thread!





“AeonKit” showing their true colors!

And they don’t even own Amiga, yet they act like it’s theirs! Gradually they have imitated the aesthetics of logotypes, traditional Amiga model numbers, they have registered intrusive domains and trademarks in various outskirt jurisdictions. And this is what it boils down to. Parasites!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 1:54:45
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Just buy OS3.1 or Cloanto's OS3.X then if you want it all minimalist.


Huh, who said anything about minimalist.

What I'm saying is that there are quite a few details of OS 3.2 I don't like. Such as someone else than ThoR now messing with Amiga shell code (I very much preferred it when he just released Shell updates to Aminet every now and then). Such as various "enhancements" in the Workbench menu layout.

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Are the bug fixes without the enhancements worth the time to manually install OS3.2 the way you like it?


Yes, of course it is. And many of the OS3.2 improvements are good - Workbench redraws are reduced, tab-completion finally coming to the shell. And on 68000 too.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 2:00:38
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AmigaKit, proudly shooting themselves in the foot since... eh.. uhm... 1994... ish.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 7:08:21
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You should be enjoying Wales progressing in the Euros


Yes of course...except that on Saturday that journey is probably over...in walks THE DANES!!

And regarding Amigakit acting stupidly, please forgive them - they have done SO MUCH GOOD for this platform, and have been navigating among sharks and predators for years. Sometimes that change a person to being a shark himself. I'm sure they will stop that bullying behaviour, and apologise.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 11:35:09
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it is annoying the ip holders either want a cut or to not allow community founded project to push / help the market. I seen many companies do this.

Amigakit actually have brought some product to market and supported some areas of the market, but I felt the whole A1200TM / A500TM was handled poorly I hope this is not going to be another repeat of this.

I just glad that the community has got things like Aros to get around things like this. Plus fans are starting to be not to fused about the brand being attached, Vampire is a perfect example of this.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 12:36:28
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@thread

the last few days including...

131 - ORDER denying Defendant-Counterclaim Plaintiff Hyperion Entertainment CVBA's119 Motion for Reconsideration; denying Plaintiffs'126 Motion to Bar Withdrawal and Substitution of Counsel and to Compel Attorney to Attend Deposition

No further information atm.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 17:04:58
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@thread

court order filing 131

direct link to .pdf for easier reading

Seems like all the filings of the last few weeks are adequately explained in this one doc.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 18:01:20
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number6 wrote:
@thread

Meanwhile, in another corner of the galaxy:

https://twitter.com/amigamagazine/status/1407452211722981386

This sounds like a repeat of Amigapassion/Retropassion, no?

#6


Not to defend AmigaKit per se, but if Amiga Addict wants to have a trademark, perhaps they should know which rules they play by?

I found this after a -quick google-:
Pdf from a patent company, franksco.com

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If the trade marks registry consider that your mark is similar to an existing registered trade mark, they will automatically send a copy of your application to the owner of that existing registered trade mark.



A notice of threatened opposition is not a formal opposition to your registration, but it is an indication that someone may file an opposition before the end of the extended 3 month opposition period. It gives the interested third party more time to prepare their opposition.
Sometimes, but not always, you may receive a letter from the third party or their legal representative asking you to withdraw your trade mark application, or asking you to limit the goods or services of your application. Receiving such a letter does not commence any formal opposition proceedings at the trade marks registry. Only when a third party files an actual opposition (usually on form TM7) and pays the opposition fee is a formal opposition commenced.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 18:49:50
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@jaokim

In what way, shape, or form would 'Amiga Addict' magazine confuse people with AmigaKit, Ltd., a reseller?! That TM7 form is indeed a formal notice, and Matthew should have it withdrawn. Now. Today. Immediately. And issue a groveling apology for overreach on his part.

This is just one instance of a long line of heavy-handed actions trying to extend control over as much of the commercial Amiga space is as legally allowed (or that can be gotten away with). The reaction to this is nearly unanimous, and the bullying must stop forthwith. I guarantee Amiga Addict will pick up more subscribers and Matthew will lose customers. For me it really opened my eyes.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 19:29:33
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@eliyahu

Not being a lawyer, but they way I understood it, is that this just buys AmigaKit time to look things over.
I mean, in theory, Amiga Addict could have more elaborate plans for their trademark application. Why do they feel a need to have a trademark in the UK, when they cannot understand AmigaKit trying to protect theirs?

Actually, /conspiration mode/, Amiga Addict could very well have this grand master plan to file for a trademark, talk about how bad AmigaKit dealt with it, and then once they get their trademark, start becoming a reseller. “Come buy from Amiga Addict and not evil AmigaKit!”

Weirder things have happened in the amiga world.

/conspiration mode off/

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 23-Jun-2021 20:00:38
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@amigakit



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