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dan.hutch 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 6:07:14
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@A1200

Similarly why has AmigaKit trademarked A500, A1200, A4000, etc. in the Amiga logo type?

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dan.hutch 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 6:11:10
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@amigadave

Seen in isolation maybe, but it feels like there is a pattern with AmigaKit...

Rebadging A1200.net cases
AmigaPassion > RetroPassion
Trademarking A500, A1200, etc.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 6:24:04
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@BigD

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So legal threats are now a standard mechanism in Amiga-land!


That’s the main communication protocol, and has bern for the last 15-20 years.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 9:30:44
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@amigadave

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You clearly are not understanding what AmigaKit "Might" be objecting to. Read what others have written about Simulant filing for a Copyright/Trademark in the same category that AmigaKit's copyright/trademark(s) are already registered in. It is not JUST about Amiga Addict's use of the word Amiga, it is because they decided to apply for a Copyright/Trademark to protect their logo and use of the title Amiga Addict, but in a category that possibly they could expand to other uses, if I understand what others have written about this.


Yeah, that's why AutoZone threatens every company with Auto on their name... Only sane explanation for this is that person who thought that this would fly has legal degree from University of I Think that (and also is bit of a cunt).

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amigang 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 10:27:22
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I thought also magazine where allowed to use the "brand" name and logo?

Im not sure how it alll works, but CU Amiga, Amiga Future, Amiga Power, Amiga Shopper etc, where all allowed to use the trademark.

Hell look at Amiga.org that A-EON / AmigaKit bought got an email from Commodore saying they where allowed to use the A, Tick, Ball Logo and now that seem to give them right to brand all their products with it. If anything I wish Commodore where still in charge as I feel they where a bit more relaxed on these thing than the current companies are!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 12:03:48
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@amigang: Amiga Addict was also allowed to use the Amiga-brand in their magazine-title or website (at least AFAIK) they even sell fan-articles. This is about registering a brand.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 12:22:28
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@thread

For those who wish to read other comments and opinions on the above:

several pages here

#6

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BigD 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 13:54:56
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@amigang

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…If anything I wish Commodore where still in charge as I feel they where a bit more relaxed on these thing than the current companies are!


Which Commodore was that? Only C= Gaming did anything worthwhile with the brand with the games PC cases!

Are you telling me that C= Business Machines were aware of Amiga.org in 1994 and had the time to write to them?

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 13:59:05
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It is completely and utterly irrelevant if magazines in general or AA in particular are allowed to use the brand - it is simply not Amigakit's decision to make, period.

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walkero 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 15:52:07
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@dalek

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After the trial we should crowdfund an A500 for him (with CBM original ROMs) 😂


Watch out because A500 (TM) is also trademarked by AmigaKit (https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003626330)



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Guys, don't be naive. What AmigaKit is scared of, IMO, it is not the AA magazine. And this is clear by their move, is that behind AA is Simulant Systems Ltd (https://www.simulant.uk/shop/home). AmigaKit tries to prevent one more store to rise, because they assume that Amiga Addict trademark might be used to sell/promote hardware and software in the future. It is the same thing they did with Amiga/RetroPassion.

I might be wrong but that's how I see it.

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Rose 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 15:57:25
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@walkero

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Guys, don't be naive. What AmigaKit is scared of, IMO, it is not the AA magazine. And this is clear by their move, is that behind AA is Simulant Systems Ltd (https://www.simulant.uk/shop/home). AmigaKit tries to prevent one more store to rise, because they assume that Amiga Addict trademark might be used to sell/promote hardware and software in the future. It is the same thing they did with Amiga/RetroPassion.


Which matter F all since they don't own either Amiga or Addict.

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eliyahu 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 16:06:05
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@walkero

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Guys, don't be naive. What AmigaKit is scared of, IMO, it is not the AA magazine. And this is clear by their move, is that behind AA is Simulant Systems Ltd (https://www.simulant.uk/shop/home). AmigaKit tries to prevent one more store to rise, because they assume that Amiga Addict trademark might be used to sell/promote hardware and software in the future. It is the same thing they did with Amiga/RetroPassion.

I might be wrong but that's how I see it.

Bingo. They've aggressively gone after other Amiga retailers in the past, not just the RetroPassion guys in the UK. Heaven help us if Enhancer is a Trojan horse for taking over AmigaOS by stealth. These types of business practices are simply inexcusable, especially in such a small community.

I've heard frequently that 'our only business is Amiga' from AmigaKit. That other retailers are only doing their thing on a part-time basis or that they specialize in other platforms, too. Like that gives an excuse for monopolist-level bullying. For better or worse, we live in a capitalist world, and that means (or should mean) open competition. If you can only compete by trying to squeeze out cash-poor competitors via legal trickery and such, find a new line of work.

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, I'm *extremely* peeved over this. AmigaKit are threatening a bunch of hobbyists publishing what is, in essence, a magazine centered on nostalgic memory. And still their unmitigated arrogance prevents them from seeing how damaging it is even to their own brand. I mean, just look at how angry I am; I've been a huge fan of A-EON for more than a decade. How can I justify helping or funding through my custom a firm that is essentially the same entity pulling crap like this going forward?!

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number6 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 16:11:06
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@walkero

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Watch out because A500 (TM) is also trademarked by AmigaKit


It's only in pre-publication stage.

covered here in more detail

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BigD 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 17:30:04
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@eliyahu

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Bingo. They've aggressively gone after other Amiga retailers in the past, not just the RetroPassion guys in the UK. Heaven help us if Enhancer is a Trojan horse for taking over AmigaOS by stealth. These types of business practices are simply inexcusable, especially in such a small community.


Nothing has helped the rise of other Amiga retailers than AmigaKit’s decision not to stock/Hyperion’s refusing to let them stock AmigaOS3.2! I’ve had trouble getting Reshoot-R and a CD32 cover from AmigaKit and have used AmigaStore.eu during lockdown and RetroPassion are great so they’re already on the slide before this. As already stated, I am waiting to hear about a CD32 compatible joystick/mouse switcher that they have the boards for but seemingly no time/parts to assemble and sell to me! If SolidCore ever comes back to the scene I’ll happily take one off his hands instead! It’s a sorry state of affairs but I hear AmigaKit have another member of staff now so maybe the delays will reduce and communication will improve? I just wasn’t thinking he’d be a part time lawyer as well as a computer assembler!

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 19:13:39
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@amigakit

AmigaKit vs Amiga Addict magazine



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pavlor 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 19:25:32
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What a dirty game.

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amigang 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 24-Jun-2021 22:22:40
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@BigD
On Amiga.org logo, I’m sure I remembered reading it somewhere that commodore actually approved the Amiga.org logo use, as it was set up in 1994,
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?m=201407

Which is why A-eon is able to sell / brand thing with it.

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eliyahu 
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Posted on 25-Jun-2021 0:17:20
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@amigang

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On Amiga.org logo, I’m sure I remembered reading it somewhere that commodore actually approved the Amiga.org logo use, as it was set up in 1994,
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?m=201407

Which is why A-eon is able to sell / brand thing with it.

If I remember correctly the logo and the agreement with Commodore behind its use were the main asset A-EON wanted when it approached Wayne to purchase amiga.org. One of my prized desk tchotchkes is an amiga.org branded mug from Amiwest some years ago. I can't recall if the mug was technically from A-EON or AmigaKit, though.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 25-Jun-2021 1:50:48
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@eliyahu

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eliyahu wrote:
For better or worse, we live in a capitalist world, and that means (or should mean) open competition. If you can only compete by trying to squeeze out cash-poor competitors via legal trickery and such, find a new line of work.

-- eliyahu


The above makes me wonder what your definition of "capitalist world" is?

IMHO, the capitalist world (mostly big corporations) squeezes out cash-poor competitors via legal trickery and such every day, as their normal mode of operation.

I hate to say this, but this experiment in Capitalism isn't working out very well at this point in time, and hasn't significantly improved the lives of average people. The super rich 1% still own 95% of the worlds wealth and capital assets, while the mediocre rich 4% strive to emulate and become the "new super rich", and the rest of the worlds population (95%) are struggling just to get by, so they don't have to retire in complete poverty.

It is my hope that humanity will find a better way forward in the near-ish future, for the sake of my children and grandchildren. I don't know why the rich and super rich can't understand that sharing wealth more equitably would just make their lives and wealth more secure. When inequities become too large, people demand mroe drastic changes, and sometimes do desperate things. Everyone should be entitled to basic human needs of shelter, food, and medical care. If you want a shiny new car in your garage every few years, you had better work your ass off for it.

Sorry for the rant, I've been on this anti-coporate shtick for a while now. Greed and unfair competition really get under my skin.

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amigang 
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Posted on 25-Jun-2021 7:24:06
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@amigadave

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I hate to say this, but this experiment in Capitalism isn't working out very well at this point in time, and hasn't significantly improved the lives of average people. The super rich 1% still own 95% of the worlds wealth and capital assets, while the mediocre rich 4% strive to emulate and become the "new super rich", and the rest of the worlds population (95%) are struggling just to get by, so they don't have to retire in complete poverty.


Bad Capitalism, like eliyahu points out needs addressing but this is worth a read
https://blog.bham.ac.uk/cityredi/capitalism-and-its-impact-on-global-living-standards/

Dont get me wrong it bad that the super rich are getting richer and this whole Pandemic has made things even worst, I mean largely here in the UK, the people with Rich, well paid jobs got 18month off paid to say at home at 80% of there wages, where as "key worker" often low paid working in Food, warehouse, delivery drivers etc had to work though out and had no money or support. (im one!)

But I do feel that Capitalism works when its not corrupted and not monopolized but unfortunately the US in particular has let too much corruption and monopolized markets to happen.

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