@tlosm

sorry guy the problem imho was that you are complaining that thing that you havent to complain...
Like the x5000 performances...why and how it can be so much better?
It was a WEAK cpu(speaking about 2017 standard CPUs).
No way to have good performances with that cpu.
To have good performances AEon(or someone for them), have to put in a ppc mobo a powerfull ppc cpu(but exists one with "modern" performances at decent price?), or migrate OS4 to x86 or maybe ARM...
I dont see any other solution to performances problem sorry...

For the moment if someone wants am "high end" Amiga have to buy what we have.

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@K-L

trolling is your best job.

... k-L tollo

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@Tuxedo

objective message, thanks.
yes there are better Be ppc in the open power scene ... like is the T4240 or T4160 or the T4080 they can select it from very beginning ... but for sure will not earn the 800% like with x5000

https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/applications-processors/qoriq-platforms/t-series/qoriq-t4240-t4160-t4080-multicore-communications-processors:T4240

dont shock of their specs .... e5500 is a really toy cpu

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@tlosm

However T4xxx seems to have e6500 core so it have AltiVec but however not so fast...only have much cores but fo AmigaOS no use unfortunately...
I really think that also on x1000 if they choose an e6500 also single core we get nice performance boost from standard G4 AmigaOnes and with really lower price...the problem was still that ppc cpu was weak and expesive....especially if used in single core...

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@tlosm

Yes We know Amiga 5000 is not super fast.
So what?
It is faster many times faster than uae on fastest pc, and is binary and source compatible to good old Amiga Os 3.x
As long as You can't provide working, compatibile open source MUI clone We don't care about how Amiga 5000 is fast compared to win/mac/linux on pc/arm.
So stop this crap.

@ppcamiga1

yes isnt superfast , or better isnt fast , or better is slow,
or better the Prize / Performance is super hight on prize

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@Tuxedo

yes . but we are speaking of loosing in one thread 600 mips compared P5020 but with advantage of Ativec and i dont know probably better fpu compared the e5500 . because e5500 have 4 fpu instruction emulated (for what i sow) and for what i sow and i know with this eyes on e6500 small T2080 there is better ram performance compared the P5040 . ram performances are about 2x compared the x5000/40 probably on T4xxx ram performances will be more modern .

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@tlosm

Luigi, we got all your points, X5000 is very expensive for his raw power. We all agree. But as you know, it's the fastest CPU for OS4. But you still know that since all these months...

Please, use your time to share your love with your family during this period and, please too, use your anger against real world inequity, not against a not important thing.

Buon Natale !

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No one cares anymore about what you are writing in so poor English

a french mocking an italian for poor language skills? lets see:

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You are just loosing your time posting here

okay. a prime example of perfect british business spelling, some unique idioms inclusive.

fine. im not picking on that. we are for the most part no native speakers, after all, or even dislectical and admittedly loving it.

the question is, what kind of an argument is this? as long as he was praising your favourite, his language wasnt an issue, now that he critisizes it, vehemently i admit, his language becomes an issue.

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now, let allow me to mntion, why information tlosm shares may be beneficial.

(it doesnt mean it must hold potential "amigaone x-whatever" buyers away from their beloved.)

i have experienced something similar on this very forum and around it, years ago when i sought advice on buying a mediator board. which im being remainded of, by people repeatedly asking similar questions today. lets spill it, mediator is a fine piece of a hack. but it has issues an adopter is left in darkness with. the knowledge of these issues might not even turn the potential buyer away, but he remains simply left in the darkness about pure facts. be it of oversight, carelessness. falsely understood loyality, it doesnt serve the scene notr any cause within it.

edit: lol. see my own typos here!

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@zzd10h

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X5000 is very expensive for his raw power.

no guillaume sorry is only hyper mega super over priced.
yes is the fastest os4 machine but if os4 was did on odroid xu or on a coreduo this will be the fastest machine.

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Please, use your time to share your love with your family during this period and, please too,

be sure of this in any way my baby girl is with me all the time play with wiiu

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use your anger against real world inequity, not against a not important thing.

this is why i was asked to trevor to send my extra payed money to unicef ... i dont need refound , just dont like the way of they manage everything ... expecially the manage of the evil money.


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Buon Natale

Buon natale to you too

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@tlosm

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yes is the fastest os4 machine

i think there is no need to discuss the price anymore. everybody knows what it costs. whats interesting now, what does os4 need all that costly speed for itself. because aside the os to execute them, the applications one might happen to use it for, are available native on faster, more stable and easier to use systems.

the obvious answer is: because its "amiga" (for those, who have chosen to believe it).
and there is no further argument. its the same like porting further sdl games to 68k so far it is fast enough for them, people are doing it anyway, and with vampire its now even more relevant. it is simply for the sake of it.

the key issue in this case is belief in validity of particular platform, all monetary and technical questions are of lesser relevance. therefore there is no general answer to the topic, because it solely depens on the attitude of a poster.

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@tlosm

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es is the fastest os4 machine but if os4 was did on odroid xu or on a coreduo this will be the fastest machine.

Or if OS4 was done for x86/64, some really big machine with this kind of CPU would be the fastest OS4 machine (and for what it could be used for, massively overprized!). This is a totally void discussion, you know? OS4 is PPC and the X5k is, as of today, the fastest machine publically available for this purpose. Simple as that.

The discussions about to which platform OS4 should go are much, much older than this one here, and the result is always the same: Annoyance.

As for today, there is no plan to go x86/64 or ARM, and this is still a good plan. If you want to do something like OS4 on ARM, go ahead. Do. Should be no big problem with the AROS code base, shouldn´t it? Oh wait, AROS is for several platforms already and the user base isn´t as big as it was told to get, back then. I see...

Nobody is obliged to buy a X5k. Buy it or buy it not. Again, simple as that.

I wouldn´t call it "mega super overprized" as it is a machine build in a very small quantity compared to e.g. PC. Taking this into acoount, the X5k is a very cheap "big" machine for OS4. Would have been a nice christmas present for me

@whose

Considering the price for the Raptor Talos II with POWER 9 CPU, I'd say that X5K is looking a bit costly even if we account for small production batches.
I don't know why A-eon is not already in ralks to atleast license the design for it's own use. That still leaves the problem of porting OS4 to a new MB.

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Great ;)

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@WolfToTheMoon

Hm... and what actually IS the price for this thing?

There´s a planned price of roundabout 2300 € for the plain mainboard, which would be indeed much cheaper in relation to computing power.

But I don´t believe in this, as we all know the first "raptor" (Talos) miserably failed to even see the light of day.

Actually, there is even no Power9 in the wild right now, just planned to hit the market around christmas (haven´t read any news about this yet).

Yes, a Power based machine would be nice, the question is: how nice plays IBM with this?

For what is actually available I stay clean with my statement of X5k being quite cheap for a niche desktop system.

@whose

if the talos will become available to buy from a shop/reseller for sure with me will have a buyer.
i have the bucks took for the selling of my x5000 plus soon my macbook pro will go too.
lets see .
by the way i sow the prize of power6 and power7 server on ebay and the prize for this old machine is really hight today too.

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