@kolla

"If AmigaOS was open sourced, AROS and AmigaOS could merge, and become one - that is a heck lot more probable than this fragmentation nonsense you go on about - there simply isn’t enough people around interested, willing and capable of doing “forks”."

+1

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@Signal

"Perhaps agreement should be made on hardware first?"

Or simply target a virtual HW and get OS updated to 64bit+SMP+MP on top of that.
Then look what HW exist.

RPi4 with 8Mb is very capable, perhaps RPi5 is the one that is enough for 90% of (hobby) needs...

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Quote:

it was for sure contributing factor, but main factor was that Amiga where unable to compete with PC market after 1993. Because Amiga graphic was slow, too little ram, and no hd drive, no cdrom, no hd floppy drive, and no way to use inexpensive PC upgrades.

The Amiga had CD-ROM, Hard Drive and accelerator/RAM expansion options. The problem was the A500 owning crowd got so used to getting things for free they didn't even want to upgrade their hardware unless it was a shiny new console or by badgering their Dad to upgrade his beige box to play Doom! The Amiga software houses also capitulated and other than rare mid 90s titles like Slam Tilt and Banshee no one wanted to even make AGA only titles until the Amiga was already on the major slide and C= were dead!

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@NutsAboutAmiga

... there were also HD Floppy Drives from Power Computing but since people were only using floppies to exchange cracked 1 or 2 disk games in the playground it wasn't really a selling point having the ability to store more files! The only creatives a those X-Copy parties were demo coders and they were just trying to get their name out there and to promote their skills so didn't really care about dragging down the Amiga game market by cracking copy protection to get their pretty boot loader screen on at the start!

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Last edited by BigD on 15-Jun-2021 at 08:32 PM.

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There is a hate / love relationship with demos groups for sure.

By the way this demo needs to ported to AmigaOS4.1 like yesterday, now that we have shaders support it should be possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKNvLyxHTmg

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Yeah, I have to hand it to them; nice cracktro! I can't help but think what a waste of potential just cracking games!

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KimmoK Quote:

Or simply target a virtual HW and get OS updated to 64bit+SMP+MP on top of that. Then look what HW exist.

Sounds like Amiga Nowhere from Amiga Inc.

KimmoK Quote:

RPi4 with 8Mb is very capable, perhaps RPi5 is the one that is enough for 90% of (hobby) needs...

You wrote 8Mb (Megabits) when the RPi4 can have up to 8GiB. Amiga memory sizes are imprinted on our brains so be careful.

8Mb (8 Megabits) = 1MB (1 Megabyte)

The RPi 4 with 2GiB of memory is adequate for most desktop needs. It's mostly heavy multitasking, dual monitor use at high resolutions or 3D games which need more memory but performance issues are likely to become a problem in all 3 cases (weak GPU especially) and there aren't many games for the RPi 4 pushing memory limits. There is never enough for a general purpose computer but it can still be useful and fun with limitations. The original Raspberry Pi was considered by many to be a toy too weak for the desktop but it was embedded in many other products because it was so cheap and general purpose.

BigD Quote:

The Amiga had CD-ROM, Hard Drive and accelerator/RAM expansion options. The problem was the A500 owning crowd got so used to getting things for free they didn't even want to upgrade their hardware unless it was a shiny new console or by badgering their Dad to upgrade his beige box to play Doom! The Amiga software houses also capitulated and other than rare mid 90s titles like Slam Tilt and Banshee no one wanted to even make AGA only titles until the Amiga was already on the major slide and C= were dead!

An Amiga CD-ROM standard would have been the way to hinder pirating (CD-ROM burners were prohibitively expensive at the time). There could have been an AGA CD-ROM standard.

o The Amiga 3000 could have had AGA and a CD-ROM bay.
o The Amiga 1200 could have had a slim CD-ROM bay (hacks have added it).
o There were plans for an Amiga 4000 CD-ROM kit from CBM but it was never released.
o There could have been a larger AGA with CD-ROM installed base by the time the CD-32 was released and the CD-32 would have encouraged earlier AGA Amiga users to add a CD-ROM drive.
o AGA could have had chunky gfx support and could have been out sooner allowing AGA Amigas to be released sooner and compete better.
o The Amiga AGA custom chips and 68k CPU (if possible) could have been one SoC reducing costs to allow adding a CD-ROM at the same price point and leaving more space in cases for adding CD-ROMs.

Leave it to CBM upper management to mess up development though.

Last edited by matthey on 15-Jun-2021 at 11:17 PM.