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Hyperion restored to Belgium's company register
Posted on 15-Mar-2018 17:18:19
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@thread

English

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#6

Update and topic change basis

Last edited by number6 on 07-Aug-2018 at 07:05 PM.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 15-Mar-2018 18:07:15
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@number6

Why we even expect OS4.2, when Hyperion is not able to do basic paperwork?


Unlike bankruptcy, this can be solved quite easily.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@number6

Deja Vu

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 15-Mar-2018 18:52:03
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@pavlor


The wheels are already turning to rectify this problem.

So i wouldn't worry about it.

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Why we even expect OS4.2, when Hyperion is not able to do basic paperwork?


Unlike bankruptcy, this can be solved quite easily.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@SimplePPC

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The wheels are already turning to rectify this problem.


The real problem is no new OS4 s/w releases.

Last edited by sundown on 15-Mar-2018 at 08:50 PM.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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My God!

They haven’t filed any reports since they were legally declared bankrupt in 2015?!

Hyperion has been engaging all kinds of offensive trade mark battles and announcing products based on Copyrighted materials they simply do not own, and it turns out that they haven’t even been allowed to any commercial activities and not allowed to raise legal claims in their country’s courts since October 2017?!

A bankruptcy in 2015, and no reports since then?

Definitely time for an Audit!

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@number6

Forcibly? Were there big burly securtity guards or paramilitary police involved?

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@sundown or tim if he so chooses to respond...

We know that Hyperion wants to charge for the next issuance of update.
That has been made abundantly clear. They need money. Also abundantly clear.

If I take the document linked to (initial post) literally:

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the company is banned from any commercial activities, i.e. selling goods or services


How do you rectify the need to sell (Hyperion's desire) with not being able TO sell (the document)?

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 15-Mar-2018 20:48:34
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@sundown

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The real problem is no new s/w releases.


The real problem is that they aren’t allowed.

Haven’t been since October.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
Posted on 15-Mar-2018 21:34:29
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All the years they pretended to be a serious company and now they even failed on basic work... Professionalism is definitely spelled differently.

Best thing to learn from this debacle: Free OS4 from the failed commercial approach. I mean, the developers don't get paid anyway and they cannot even sustain the company body. Hence, give up the company and free OS4.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@TRIPOS

Evidently they started practising long before that.

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It’s not a matter of whether the situation is rectifiable; Most situations are. The real question is: Why did it need to get to this situation in the first place? Why not just comply with the rules and regulations of the jurisdiction you operate in? Or move the operation to a less regulated jurisdiction.

I call shenanigans.

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@agami

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It’s not a matter of whether the situation is rectifiable; Most situations are. The real question is: Why did it need to get to this situation in the first place?


Rhetorical question?

If your corporate mandate is driven primarily by vindictiveness, formalities like business registrations become an afterthought.

Clearly the time to divest and move on is long overdue.

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Quote:

ne_one wrote:
@TRIPOS

Evidently they started practising long before that.


One example of something that happened before the Hyperion bankruptcy, was their ”deal” (read: the robbery of) with Amiga Inc regarding OS4. Is that even live today? The bankrupcy was real, decided by a court of law, but they got out of it by reshaping the company somewhat. If the new partner added funds in any way, it would show in the fiscal reports. But as it conveniently turs out, no such reports were ever filed, so who knows? Is Hyperion even a company today, other than a registration number in a ledger? They are not allowed to do business, not money-wise, not legal-wise. Some post on amiga-news.de some time ago suggested internal corruption, people taking money in unofficial ways. And when they say things like ”this will be easily fixed” in a situation like this, then all kinds of alarms sets off. A bankruptcy and no fiscal- or any kinds of financial reports in a coherent three-year period of time, then ”quick fixes” could very well be down to creative editing of the book-keeping. A full, formal audit is what is needed here, by external auditers.

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cool though that they have dedicated members monitoring their status on amiga forums so that they notice when something unpleasant happen to them.. ;P

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Re: Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register
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@number6

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Hyperion forcibly deleted from Belgium's company register


To put things into perspective, and without taking a stance: (I'm not privy to what's going on anyway):

If "forcibly" means anyone of these, by force, against one's will, under protest, compulsorily, under compulsion, under coercion, of necessity , then "forcibly" may not be the best way to describe what's going on, as broadblues also noticed
No force was used here
Actually, the administration can do so without even consulting with the party being "cancelled" or "revoked" (as you put it).

Also, it is not that exceptional: if you do a quick (and hence inaccurate) search of the term in the publication of the National Gazette the AN-article linked to, you'll see thousands of those occurrences. I did also find a document citing "cancellation of cancellation", a lot less though.

I guess one should consider this in the context of an increasing effort by the Belgian authorities to act against so-called zombie-companies, which are perceived as a growing problem.
They could be an indication of fraud, or simply, badly operating companies, hurting the Belgian economy.
Some specific criteria have to be met, one of them being not filing financial statements with the relevant authorities, which appears to be the case here.

Indeed, I can see that not filing statements can be seen as a strong indicator of a zombie-company.

Evert

edit: styling and other non-content-related issues with my original post.

Last edited by jorit2 on 16-Mar-2018 at 09:09 AM.

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They can't even pay a good-enough business consultant to fill balance reports and send them to their country's authorities, how are they supposed to sustain both software development and legal fights in court?

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Oh great even less chance of A1222 this year or ever now as we still need drivers.

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@jorit2

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If "forcibly" means anyone of these, by force, against one's will, under protest, compulsorily, under compulsion, under coercion, of necessity , then "forcibly" may not be the best way to describe what's going on, as broadblues also noticed

The relevant documentation is also available in an official German translation, where it describes the process using the German term "zwangsweise" - which pretty much translates to "by force, against one's will, under protest" - that's why I'm using "forcibly" in the news item.

I'm not a native English speaker, so maybe "forcibly" is a tad too strong - I don't know. But I honestly don't think my use of "forcibly" is the important issue here :P

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