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Barana 
Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
Posted on 21-May-2018 10:33:54
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Our sirens have brought interesting info to the table, but you, hypex, are a voice of common sense.
There'll Always be a next version of POWER that will keepup or surpass hexeightsux/hexsuxtyflawed

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
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@Barana

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a M$ boot stamping on a human face forever.
Think about it.
Platform diversity sparked innovation. Now are choices are Intel and windows an. *nix and *no. With a slick gui. =macos.
When a monopoly is allowed to prosper , we get no diversity.no freedom.
1984 shows this.
Monopolies are easy to follow. And hard to diverge from.
The example of time magazines man of the year for 1938 shows this. Why resist M$ ? Just follow the easy route and throw out your Amiga and get a windows machine.
Do it now.

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
Posted on 21-May-2018 12:59:05
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@eliyahu

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POWER9 is an absolute beast, and we'd be using a tiny percentage of its potential


To each his own, but I cant agree there at all.
As a predominately AROS user we've (AROS users) had this sort of power and a lot more for many years, along with generally much faster code paths (for x86 at least).
There's *always* software that can utilize more power. No ppc or power based hardware comes close (nor will it ever) to the sorts of resources that are useful for a desktop system.

Try running a ps2 emulator for example. Maybe a ps3 emulator? Compilation times. How about video/audio re-encoding? Heavy websites using heavy javascript? Sega arcade games like daytona, sega rally, etc.? How about running Windows on top of amiga os? Running multiple heavy applications concurrently?

There's a million and one scenarios where more cpu power can be utilized and appreciated on amiga derived systems.
It's a matter of perspective, but personally Id probably find this machine slow (simply because Im grown accustomed to faster machines).

@thread

Is it even realistic? Who will even do and/or pay for the port.
A-Eon are clearly only interested in their own business and own products (even their interest there is questionable,.... seriously, who released hardware years before drivers are even started? It's just pathetic).
Without being able to dictate this just doesnt seem up their alley.

Looks like a nice candidate, there's just no-one to do anything with it Amiga wise.

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
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@fishy_fis

Just asking.
Since Apple pulled out of ppc what ppc/POWER platform has been available in any numbers for any kind of desktop development?

You think maybe it is a little to soon to pass judgement on this platform as being unsuitable for such use?

Open software on open hardware, what's not to be interested in?

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
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@fishy_fis

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seriously, who released hardware years before drivers are even started? It's just pathetic).


Eyetech?

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
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Personally, I'm hoping RISC-V gains some traction. That could be a neat home for AmigaNG for the future.

PPC is practically dead. POWER is still pretty niche, and likely to remain so. ARM on the other hand might even kill off x86 due to a better performance to power-consumption ratio.

As multiple posters have commented, having hardware without a bootable operating system with full device-driver support is just... potential?



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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
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@pavlor & fishy_fis

A-Cube - Sam460ex Audio Driver
I really prefer experts to be precise .
Those who are not are probably not.

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@fishy_fis

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seriously, who released hardware years before drivers are even started? It's just pathetic).


Eyetech?

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AOS4 is a private property of Hyperion. If you can't stand it - leave it.
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@virgolamobile

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virgolamobile wrote:

Talos II Lite Base Chassis
A barebone mobo with 1 CPU socket for IBM Power 9 ...


If you bring it, they will ignore it.

AOS4 is a private property of Hyperion. If you can't stand it - leave it.

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Re: AOS4 is a private property of Hyperion. If you can't stand it - leave it.
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@OneTimer1

Not just AOS4 - ALL of Amiga is private property of Hyperion.

According to Hyperion.

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
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@pavlor

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Eyetech?


How do you mean? What hardware on the AmigaOne wasn't supported? I don't recall not being able plug anything into a port.

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@Hypex

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How do you mean? What hardware on the AmigaOne wasn't supported? I don't recall not being able plug anything into a port.


AmigaOne SE/XE released 2002/2003, OS4pre released... in April 2004.

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
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@pavlor

Good point and even if you discount that we still didn't have a driver for the onboard audio until after Eyetech exited the business.

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Re: AOS4 is a private property of Hyperion. If you can't stand it - leave it.
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AOS4 is a private property of Hyperion.


The name is property of whatever PO box McBill is using today but under some sorta exclusive license to Hyperion.

OS4 itself is property of a few dozen past and present un(der)paid developers.

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If the Talos II can emulate a SAM460 in one virtualized session, its Aeon I'd be dumping.
And Hyperion? I could not give a f**k about that slow motion nightmare.

As to Microsoft, as mentioned in a previous post, I've already replaced Excel for statistical analysis with a combination of Minitab and IBM's SPSS.
Excel has some serious flaws, producing some errors I can't afford to have in the work I do, when using Excel I often have to double check some results with a TI Scientific calculator.
That is just absurd.

And Windows as a platform? I just downgraded from Win10 to Win7, because Win10 ...well I tried to live with it, but it sucks, just not as much as Win 8 and 8.1.

And its not likely to improve in the future.

I'm seriously considering Linux and an open platform.

Microsoft has disappointed me far to many times.

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I'm seriously considering Linux and an open platform.

I did, a very long time ago, and it was a successful transition. I dual-booted over a period of about six months, a practice that I recommend. Going cold turkey off Windows and onto another OS, especially Linux or *BSD, can be a frustrating experience. MacOS is not so bad, but then again, you'd going from one proprietary system to another -- a nicer one, but also more expensive.

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Microsoft has disappointed me far to many times.

I expect they will continue to do so. Death, taxes, data loss... and Microsoft.

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
Posted on 22-May-2018 8:49:14
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@pavlor

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AmigaOne SE/XE released 2002/2003, OS4pre released... in April 2004.


I ask you what hardware wasn't supported and you reply with an OS. Yes I have an OS4.0 Developer Pre-release CD, which happens to be a piece of pyhsical disc hardware, and I stick in my DVD drive and my A1 can boot it. So it works here. What do you mean?

I bought an XE Earlybird on the special offer and it was with the understanding the OS wasn't ready and would be sent later, to which it was. So it obviously wasn't a full release system. Otherwise it would be silly to sell some hardware as the next Amiga thing, claiming it was a full release in the process, when there was no AmigaOS that ran on it at all. I don't recall this happening.

But as reminded in a following post, the onboard audio comes to mind. I'll grant you that, since mine never worked, but my board may be in the lot where they pulled the audio chip out so technically didn't have any audio but just sockets on the back.

The USB had issues, following on from the PCMCIA Amiga slot detection bug, and continued the tradition. But I recently found something interesting about this a few days ago I'll post later about. And the USB ports still worked.

All else; IDE, Ethernet, PS/2 ports, parallel, and serial which are fairly important all worked to my knowledge.

I think the ACube machines fair well. There are some traditional USB issues again. But on the whole I recall all hardware was supported. Except there is a problem with dual Ethernet ports, but that may be a rigid software issue.

The X1000 did break a bit, with no Ethernet working, and no sound initially. The sound is working now buit I think the net is still not. Compared to the XE, I think the XE comes off better in my mind for needed hardware working.

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@arthoropod

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If the Talos II can emulate a SAM460 in one virtualized session, its Aeon I'd be dumping.


Since we aren't talking about emulating like on X86. By emulation, because the Power is of the same CPU family as the 460, being a relative; do you mean emulating Sam hardware including onboard hardware and firmware, but running CPU code natively through a VM?

IOW, with a MOL like program that would be like a SOL, a Sam-On-Linux? LOL!

Otherwise, pure software emulation, of one superior processor emulating its inferior processor just seems a tad wasteful. When a cheap X86 could do it. What we are stuck with for the present.

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And Hyperion?


I could see it coming eventually, when that mirage in the desert becomes real, and OS4 can be emulated. It's not exactly here yet. It could be with the right JIT emulator, technically possible on todays gaming monsters, but it's not here yet.

I have a saying; an emulated OS is a dead OS. This happened to AmigaOS 68K. It hasn't happened to AmigaOS PPC yet, but the army is coming, the troops are being deployed.

Before OS4 came to the fore and was in the works, Amithlon came out. I would describe it as a glorified AmigaOS emulator, since its focus was on fast AmigaOS emulation and caused Amiga people to say how crap the Amiga was and how great the PC was. A paradigm shift. I thought this was a bit unfair, comparing an older and slower computer with a newer and faster one. I didn't think the PC was great because of it, I was still a fan of my Amiga; it's just the PC was newer developed technology so obviously is going to be faster. The Amiga should be compared with what was there at the time to be fair in my mind. Now, my point was, before I trailed off, that when that came out people suddenly wanted all work to drop on OS4. Scratch OS4 totally. And put Amithlon in it's place and call that OS4 instead. Well, I could see there point, but replacing a newly developed OS with an emulation of an older version stuck in time? Nah, what would be the point? An emulated OS is a dead OS.

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Microsoft has disappointed me far to many times.


You seem surprised. I mean this is such a commmon thing that it's almost like a bowel movement these days. Living in a Microsoft world. Better the devil you know. Until it becomes a deal breaker.

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
Posted on 22-May-2018 15:29:11
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@Hypex

Nobody bought original A1 for Linux.

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Re: Talos II Lite (Power 9 mobo) $1400, AmigaOS MUST be ported to this!!
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@pavlor

I know I didn't. But I learnt about a foreign operating system that otherwise I wouldn't have looked into. And UAE emulated my A1200 faster than my A1200, as far as I could tell. When OS4 came along I wiped it. But by that stage I think I had wrecked Linux anyway. LOL.

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