@phoenixkonsole

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phoenixkonsole wrote: @cdimauro This is how governance within a blockchain works : ) Someone says: hey I do it for 15000 and people send the money to a wallet. Diskussion -> Developer -> payment of bounty sum to a wallet -> developer finishes work -> developer will get the money Nobody there who does it = no locked coins.

What happens to the wallet if the developer doesn't finish the work?

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phoenixkonsole wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga This project is solving this .. you will understand it when it is online Masternodes.online Forget the old bounty system .. Stop thinking inside the box. Outside the box people pay a developer 15k just for changing a parameter in a wallet . This is where we have to move . As a side effect the devs work on Amiga related things. So we combine the two things.

Come on Pascal: the post-Amiga community isn't even able to pay a reasonable (gross) 400/500$ per day for the highly skilled developers needed for particularly specialized tasks, and you think that you can raise a big pile of bucks with this new developer-friendly platform?

As A-Siegel already pointed out:
"Nobody is making a living from AROS development."

The reality is that the nobody, in general, in this post-Amiga community can even think about of making real money from an Amiga-related project, unless he's so desperate to devalue himself.

The most important motivation here is and should be... passion. You do some task for passion, and not because you hope/want to receive the right payment for your services.

Let your regular job to provide the income to sustain your real life, and for the rest put passion for what you like, accepting only an handful of $$ for some bounty that you like to complete.

@cdimauro

Understand that we are not talking about Aros or Amiga .
We are talking about 99% damn ducking rich people which hope to get even more rich with yet another Masternode based cryptocurrency .

They don’t care about Aros.. they care Abort Money

You’re don’t get the point.

Outsiders .. who don’t care about Aros will drive it in order to get money
Check

Masternodes.online

And clock on ROI 2 times

Get the point.

Now the trick is:
Hire Aros developers as teammembers

Let them work on „important“ things for the bigger non Amiga interested users

But AND thins is the trick let them work also on Aros related stuff.


Imagine you have a good running company and you hire someone of your family because else he won’t get no job.

So.. the project is not talking much about Aros.
It’s target is to raise value of a fresh coin on exchanges .
Keep it alive with releasing results „ something other Coins didn’t achieve in 2 years“ .

Compare it to „shitcoins“ with 30- 40000% ROI
We won’t be such a shitcoin because we provide:
A Shop accepting it
An AppStore accepting it
A cloud service accepting it
Plug and play mini wallets for noobs to the topic „cryptocurrencies“

This are 4 things more than any shitcoin with >3000% ROI has.

Now I am the nice guy and think:
Hey let this combine with Aros /Amiga related projects.
Not as primary idea.. just include it as the „unemployed“ family member in your working company.

Is this hard to understand ?

Think outside the box.

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@phoenixkonsole
Typos come from autocorrection of my phone : )

Ad you say.. you can’t get money with Amiga related projects
But you can feed our devs with an non-primary-related project and let Aros/Amiga participate a little (which still means 100x more money in air than usually)

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@Hans

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You might be less jaded if Netsurf was progressing faster. I just downloaded the latest version, and my company's website looks pretty bad, and the menus don't work.

The menus probably don't work because there's no dynamic layout engine yet, this restricts JavaScript doing anything interesting. If there are general layout problems, put them on the bugtracker and they will be looked at.

It's the usual problem of lack of developers/time.

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it looks like it can actually be built on AmigaOS. At least, the build instructions say so (and look very straightforward).

That certainly used to be the case, although I couldn't say whether it is still possible.

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BTW, does Netsurf have a plugin API?

No.

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@phoenixkonsole: I understand your idea, but being honest I find it difficult that it might work on a shrinking market of an already micro-niche. This is a general problem: passing the time there are less customers and even less developers. No matter which cool & smart tool/platform you can use trying to change the path.

So, I don't see a point of return: only a fading destiny. But maybe it's my limit.

Good luck with your project.

@cdimauro
I am not looking for users in the micro-niche.. I am just inviting developers and interested users.
If they don't care, I can at least say that I've asked back then.

The project does go on with existing outside-the-niche users.

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If you want to have some fun with AmigaOS 4, I'd recommend getting Tower 57, a great game which was released only a few months ago. Bought it myself and love it!

There is also Spencer, a platform game released this year. It looks pretty cool, but have not tried it myself.

Speaking of games, I downloaded the remake of Stunt Car Racer for AmigaOS 4 that got a new version on OS4Depot in May. Nice!

For creative purposes, the Hollywood package often gets updates with various plugins. The Grafx 2 paint program got an update in January as well, so there is a lot happening.

For inspiration, I recommend the blog www.amigax5000.blog. Here you can find all kinds of cool stuff reviewed, but also good guides on setting up emulators and such.

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@cdimauro

Ah, this all boils down to, TECHNICALLY, you being a jerk :p

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@kolla
This is what I am thinking.
https://crypt0.zone/calculator/details/LTZ?hr=50000&pwr=620&ec=0.22&fee=1&selected_exchange=32&cur=USD&average=24h&exchange=0

I have no need for being here and searching support ( I want to offer paid work) .. it is the passion cdimauro seeks.
If everyone here is to old to accept changes and new concepts to finance projects..
Well than „I“ can say „wow, jerks“.

Cu

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@phoenixkonsole

Well, all I can say is that I am certainly not doing any work for crypto currencies, I have zero use for them. I own an actual bitcoin, but that's rather a curiosity and I got it for free.

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all that i can say, is that developing financial schemes to attract new developers and discussing fair salaries here, after we had a viable option at hand and not only failed to motivate whomever experienced was still around, with a (to say the least) reassuring track of record on a pretty fair if not idealist conditions (such a helping to replace broken hardware) is ridiculous.

i have not given up on aros, even though i cannot help that much myself and will privately try to gather shards and pursue certain tasks that have been worked on. but im not going to engage with initiatives im not personally convinced with, which may not make a huge difference in that case.

good luck nevertheless.

Last edited by wawa on 02-Jul-2018 at 10:39 AM.

@kolla
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kolla wrote: @cdimauro Ah, this all boils down to, TECHNICALLY, you being a jerk :p

My first comment was extremely polite and stating only facts and challenges. Not even a comma can be used to call me jerk.

AFTER that I received a not polite and harsh reply, THEN I've used the same "kindness".

I don't want add other things, because the thread is there and anyone can sequentially analyze and build the precise context.

@phoenixkonsole
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phoenixkonsole wrote: I have no need for being here and searching support ( I want to offer paid work) .. it is the passion cdimauro seeks. If everyone here is to old to accept changes and new concepts to finance projects.. Well than „I“ can say „wow, jerks“.

That's not the point. Like kolla, I don't believe and don't support any *coin platform.

Regarding financing developers, well, if it's not possible to give a decent salary/compensation (nobody talked about becoming rich with bounties and similar things), then what's left is just passion: you do it all for free, or you accept the bounty as is, even if it's just a fraction of what a skilled developer would have normally got as compensation.

@wawa
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wawa wrote: all that i can say, is that developing financial schemes to attract new developers and discussing fair salaries here, after we had a viable option at hand and not only failed to motivate whomever experienced was still around, with a (to say the least) reassuring track of record on a pretty fair if not idealist conditions (such a helping to replace broken hardware) is ridiculous.

To call a situation "ridiculous" you first need to understand it.

@cdimauro

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To call a situation "ridiculous" you first need to understand it.

must be quite a burden being just a single person all that smart..

@wawa: you don't even need to be smart to understand plain simple English (mine isn't even correct: I made, and make, a lot of mistakes, since I'm not a native speaker), and sequentially putting all the things in the correct position, looking at who said what and exactly when.

Your problem, like of many others unfortunately, is that you are/were too much biased to coldly analyze the situation: you saw your "totem" touched, and then you flied into a rage, being unable to neutrally evaluate what happened, thus starting your holy war against the heretical to defend your faith.

@AmigaOldskooler
You are absolutely right : I am going to buy Spencer & Tower57

@all
Ils it me or this thread beging to be boring too ... :-p

@thellier

okay, so in order to try to make this thread less boring than personal accusations and try to be more constructive in general and what concerns all platforms, as a person who has been sitting on a fence between the hard core users and developers for ages (due to my intellectual limitations) i am thinking, that we are simply captured in a loop, not understanding each other. the developers, who actually do it for fun or for themselves do not understand the audiences demands or do not care for a strategy, and thats perfectly fair, as long as, or since they dont receive any reward to speak of. on the other hand the audience doenst necessarily understand the motivation of the developers being an exciting challenge rather than a boring service towards them, as they assume to have at least financially rewarded it, given the circumstances of an actual (it) market, they are being told to be participating in. i dont want to generalise here, but in order to proceed any further, beyond this point, it may be necessary to understand these nuances.

@wawa

Yes, once the developers and the users achieve a zen like balance the Master Control Program shall be overthrown!

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Is that just Amiga or computing in general ?

My interests are now ebikes and am getting the bits in to build my own battery packs (Vruzend caps)

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Welcome back! Good to see you around these parts again ! When is the next Big Bash

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