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remotenemesis 
Where Vim Came From?
Posted on 7-Aug-2018 14:47:21
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I had no idea that Vim originated on the Amiga. An Amiga 2000 to be precise!

https://twobithistory.org/2018/08/05/where-vim-came-from.html

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Re: Where Vim Came From?
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I thought this was common knowledge. Mesa GL began life on the Amiga 3000 too.

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Re: Where Vim Came From?
Posted on 7-Aug-2018 14:59:41
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@remotenemesis

Open VIM:

:help credits


I have to admit I didn't read the whole article, but the whole "air of mystery" thing is a bit laughable considering VIM itself will give you it's own history. And even if you didn't know about the VIM command, "man vim" will give you the command...

Oh this younger generation! :D

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scuzz 
Re: Where Vim Came From?
Posted on 9-Aug-2018 10:33:53
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@remotenemesis

Very interesting. I just copied over Fred Fish 256 and 591 to the 4000 to have a look around. Thanks for that. I always thought VIM was a UK cleaning product like AJAX but then I guess I'm showing my age.

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Re: Where Vim Came From?
Posted on 9-Aug-2018 10:46:11
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@Karlos

It pretty much is common knowledge.
Unfortunately though the average amiga fan/user these days seems to have a surprisingly small knowledge of the machine.
Its bizarre really. How the heck have so many people followed something for decades, yet remained pretty ignorant to it? Even weirder is that many of these more or less clueless people will defend it to the end of the Earth..... to each his own, but it's downright batty to get so passionate about something you don't even know.
Once again a parallel with religion rears it's ugly head.


@thread

Sorry, not aiming any of this at anyone here. It's just something Ive noticed over the last few years.

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kolla 
Re: Where Vim Came From?
Posted on 9-Aug-2018 10:46:17
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At some point I committed a few icons for vim, first NewIcon and then GlowIcon... so long ago now :-p

For the record - vim and zsh (in vi mode) are my primary professional tools, third would be ssh :)

Last edited by kolla on 09-Aug-2018 at 10:48 AM.
Last edited by kolla on 09-Aug-2018 at 10:46 AM.

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@fishy_fis

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Sorry, not aiming any of this at anyone here. It's just something Ive noticed over the last few years.


I fully agree.

And the concept of loose rumours turning into myths that finally end up on wikipedia or whatever as some sort of historic fact doesn't help either.

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@kolla

Amiga - When having a clue is trolling.

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kolla 
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Oh btw - true story:

When Qt started, one of the developers were active in the same computer club as I, and he used my A1200 to test the code for endian/compatibility issues. So my A1200 was indeed the first Amiga ever to run Qt.

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@Rose

Sadly, it is not just Amiga, it seems to be a general trend.
Truthiness is taking over.

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@fishy_fis

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Its bizarre really. How the heck have so many people followed something for decades, yet remained pretty ignorant to it?

I'm not sure why you think people who've never heard of Vim or Mesa GL (which is probably true of the average computer user, as well as the average Amiga user) should be aware that both of those started on Amiga.

They probably know that Video Toaster started on Amiga, that the Babylon 5 pilot was animated on Amiga, that Max Headroom was animated on Amiga, that NASA had Amigas, etc.

But Vim? Seriously?

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kolla 
Re: Where Vim Came From?
Posted on 9-Aug-2018 23:06:24
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@simplex

WTF is Max Headroom? :)

Oh, that guy...
https://archive.org/details/amazing-computing-magazine-1987-10

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@kolla

Quote:

kolla wrote:
@simplex

WTF is Max Headroom? :)

Oh, that guy...
https://archive.org/details/amazing-computing-magazine-1987-10


LoL!

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fishy_fis 
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@simplex

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I'm not sure why you think people who've never heard of Vim or Mesa GL (which is probably true of the average computer user, as well as the average Amiga user) should be aware that both of those started on Amiga


Seriously?

Well, 1stly, I said NO SUCH THING, so don't put words in my mouth.

Also, the average Amiga user *isn't* the average computer user. Its an enthusiast type platform that most who follow it will have done so for over 30 years.
So yes, it is a surprise how clueless most are about it.

What the hell have people been doing with their hobbies for the last 30 years?
It's no wonder Amiga forums are so full of stupidity. Apparently most are too functionally retarded to bother learning the subject matter after 30 years of following it.

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Snorg 
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Posted on 10-Aug-2018 2:58:13
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@fishy_fis

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ;)

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-Sam- 
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Posted on 10-Aug-2018 14:19:50
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@fishy_fis

I will admit that even being involved with the Amiga since 1988 with 1.3 A500 I didn't know this either.

Wow - so vim is actually from the Amiga - the machine still impresses me - even now.

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Posted on 10-Aug-2018 16:47:54
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@Karlos

Cool, didn't know about Mesa :)

https://lwn.net/Articles/569083/

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Argo 
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@remotenemesis
Vim's Creator Bram Moolenaar Dies at Age 62
https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/08/05/1632219/vims-creator-bram-moolenaar-dies-at-age-62

From the VIM-Announce Google group:

"Dear all,

It is with a heavy heart that we have to inform you that Bram Moolenaar passed away on 3 August 2023.
Bram was suffering from a medical condition that progressed quickly over the last few weeks.

Bram dedicated a large part of his life to VIM and he was very proud of the VIM community that you are all part of.

We as family are now arranging the funeral service of Bram which will take place in The Netherlands and will be held in the Dutch lanuage. The extact date, time and place are still to be determined.
Should you wish to attend his funeral then please send a message to funer...@gmail.com. This email address can also be used to get in contact with the family regarding other matters, bearing in the mind the situation we are in right now as family.

With kind regards,
The family of Bram Moolenaar"

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RIP. He will never be forgotten so long as a user somewhere is still figuring out :q!

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Hypex 
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Posted on 7-Aug-2023 15:41:00
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On Linux, Vim is run with vi. So vim must have replaced vi.

Emacs was included with AmigaOS. As well as the Ed text editor.

Edit is the official Amiga line editor. I don't know how popular it was. I found it too limited and awkward being stuck on one line so stuck with Ed from then on and only ran Edit by accident.

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