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Re: The Final Version of the EU's Copyright Directive Is the Worst One Yet
Posted on 30-Mar-2019 11:32:32
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Very well articulated kind Sir and I agree with every single one of those statements as do every single person who voted to leave!

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Very well articulated kind Sir and I agree with every single one of those statements as do every single person who voted to leave!


Dreams are cheap, reality painful.

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And this is just resorting to insults now.


Sorry to sound rude, but I don´t see any logic in your statements. You wrote much about democracy, yet you refuse your own people basic right to vote in fear they will change their mind and ruin your dream once and for all.

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if the people vote against a treaty, the EU mandates simply run the election again and keep running that election until you get the correct result.


Nonsense, their own governments repeated these elections (referendums), because they didn´t agree with the outcome. The EU has no right to force any state to hold another referendum.

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As a relative newcomer to the European Union you are no doubt being seduced by new infrastructure projects and shiny glass towers, but wait until the money runs out or is diverted elsewhere... like more established members you will soon be changing your tune and opinion on the project.


Last time I checked Germans were quite content in EU.

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now you are painting the world in black and white again.

No, simply in BLACK and all others. You can guess who are the blacks...
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AFD was originally founded as ANTI EURO CRISIS / ANTI EURO party. It was hijacked than by a right group.. and honestly .. germany is at least 30% right and 60% who don't care about others as long they can live in peace.. As an immigrant / bastard (half german) I have spoken and seen enough through all classes..

Whatever.. you got it wrong.

I would hijack the AFD .. because I can help them with my person.. half immigrant would be a good camouflage ... wouldn't it?

After that comes the grey part .. 2 out of 3 AFD member can be easily put to jail.. why not.. ?

I don't know and currently I don't care about the AFD origins: I judge them by their propaganda.
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For me it would be just a trojan horse.. come in.. fuck europe, than fuck AFD

World became a better place..

This kind of Europe is what YOU, Germans, mostly wanted. And Germany is the country which gained MUCH MORE benefits from EU and Euro.

Now you're biting the hand that feeds you. Eh!
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OH AND EUROPE.. this current EUROPE is NSDAP 2.0.
1984 anyone ?
Look what they have done un Ukraine.. how close we came to a war. They tried to implant german biased politicians... play with fire and you get burned.
And now a european Army? Ok.. go on .. USA and Russia are ready to clean the floor.

Actually USA are the primary responsible of the Ukraine crisis, with their continuously ongoing expansionism plan. This time they were too close to Russia, which reacted.

I don't know how you can put Germany here.
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EUROPE IS NOT MEANT AS WE COME TOGETHER CLUB!

From an economic/commercial point-of-view, it is.

The problem with Europe is that it stopped here, instead of becoming a federation like USA. So, with common politics in other matters (foreign affairs, school, defense, etc.).
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IT IS MEANT AS COUNTERPARTY TO CHINA / USA / RUSSIA

Even if it was the case, is it bad? And, in case, what's bad?
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That it.. people don't beliebe in Mankind.. it is just another we f*ck you all ideology.
Just and idelogy ending at european boarders. Meh.. pure uninspired meh.
And the same old farts ruling. Or young "carmouglage" marionettes like in france. (he took my AFD idea just with another party)

I don't know where you watched this movie...
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Bigest problem:
Politicians are morons.. they decide about stuff they don't know anything about.
But they know always specialists.. mostly 80 years old and social media expert.. sure..

So you need to be creative to f*ck them on their own stage.
And obviously the ANTI EU fractions have the best cards in the moment.. so to be "realistic" the AFD idea seems the most logical and cost effective option.

First, I reveal you a "secret": AFD members ARE politicians. And you want to vote them! LOL

Second, what you reported are part of the propaganda which were repeated by a "nice" (!) guy with a couple of small mustaches that you should know. No joke: go and take a look at the slogans of the time: you'll find A LOT of similarities, and even same words.
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PLAN B is to speed up production of my ROBOT ARMY.

I am not born to be ruled by dumb a** mo**er*uckers . AND THE LAST VOTING IN GERMANY WAS 100% against MERKEL.. People voting against her.. why is she still dancing around.. Why did FDP deny the voting results and whent back? Hmm.? What is this..

It's clear that you don't know much about politics, and even what happens/happened in your country. You look like an extremist populist, which unfortunately is very common nowadays.

Now a couple of FACTs to stop your lies here.

First, Angela Merkel won the elections TIME AGO, and has the RIGHT AND DUTY to govern German UNTIL HER MANDATE FINISHS. Period! It's called DEMOCRACY, albeit, from what you say, you don't like it so much it.

Second, Angela Merkel lost the last voting, and she announced that she'll retire at the end of the mandate (see above). And she's already acting in that way, passing some responsibility to the one (a lady, AFAIR) that will take her position as the leader of the party.
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OK come and vote.. oh the result is not as we have thought... hmm.. lets ignore it.

What do they expect? On the long run? What?

I don't know what YOU expect. What it's clear is that you do NOT know how democracy & elections work, and what happens in your country. See above.
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Ok.. Back to Amiga.. real world sucks

The parallel world that you have built.
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CDU program from 2002
https://www.cdu.de/system/tdf/media/dokumente/regierungsprogramm-02-06-b.pdf?file=1

"Überfremdung" .. Warning about immigrants ...
ah ohhhh ...

Isn't this what ADF does today..

???

First, no, it's different: AFD wants to KICK-OUT immigrants.

It means that I can also risk to leave, after almost 6 years that I'm integrated (almost 5 years the rest of my family, and especially my kids which now speak German better than Italian) and well serving the country.

A warning about immigrants is QUITE different, right?
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The same bastards all over the place..

SO in 2002 nobody declared CDU as right party.. but the same words in 2019 are right ?
: D

I do not forget.

See above. And, even more important, it's thanks to CDU that a lot of immigrants reached German. In the last years around ONE MILLION from Syria.

Now go to the AFD and ask what they think about it, eh?

What's clear is that you don't know what you talk about. You are the classic populist which spreads hate against the current situation without even known it.

In Italy we have the 5 stars movement (M5S. With the 5 stars = 5 pillars/foundation, which were completely disregarded now that they are governing Italy. Basically they QUICKLY became WORSE than the traditional parties which they hated and were/are against with) and Lega (which are the same: all extreme populist. Of the right side, of course).

Anyway, and to conclude, I do NOT support neo-nazis and neo-fascists, so AFD in Germany and M5S & Lega in Italy are totally out of question.


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Why referendum? Staying in EU is in our foremost national interest. If people vote Reamain, it is a waste of money. And no one sane could wish Leave. We aren´t UK with dreams about splendid isolation. We are a small country with export oriented economy crucially dependent on the EU market. Leaving EU, we would have become a puppet state begging EU (or Germans, assuming EU is dissolved) for at least some access to their market. Pure madness.

Sorry, but I fully disagree.

UK never wanted to really become part of the EU, and acted like an external country which was "forced" (sic!) to be inside EU... to make business.

The "funny" thing was that UK was a special country, because it had much more privileges (granted to let it stay) compared to the normal countries which accepted even the Euro as currency. The last concession/privilege was about 6 mount before the Exit referendum, AFAIR. And after having acquired this last privilege they voted to exit.

So, exit be now! And I hope for an hard brexit: no deal. Let's completely cut the bridges, like they wanted.

I know that it'll be more painful and expensive for all, but they already had too much when they were in EU, and I don't see why they should continue to receive a special treatment.

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@cdimauro

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Sorry, but I fully disagree. UK never wanted to really become part of the EU, and acted like an external country which was "forced" (sic!) to be inside EU... to make business. The "funny" thing was that UK was a special country, because it had much more privileges (granted to let it stay) compared to the normal countries which accepted even the Euro as currency. The last concession/privilege was about 6 mount before the Exit referendum, AFAIR. And after having acquired this last privilege they voted to exit. So, exit be now! And I hope for an hard brexit: no deal. Let's completely cut the bridges, like they wanted. I know that it'll be more painful and expensive for all, but they already had too much when they were in EU, and I don't see why they should continue to receive a special treatment.


You hit the nail on the head fella and a very astute and wise observation. We are well aware we had special treatment to accommodate us and despite that the people still voted to leave. You can’t simply force a populace to buy into something they were never really a fan of in the first place and then express surprise when given the first actual opportunity to rebel against we vote to leave.

John Major knew this when he forced Maastricht on us and so did Tony Blair when he forced the Lisbon treaty on us without public consultation.

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@outrun1978: I've no problem accepting it. It's the democracy, at the end.

In Italy there's a sentence of old latins: "vox populi, vox dei" (which can be roughly translated as "the voice of people is the voice of gods". I hope that the meaning is understandable).

At least after the brexit everything will (hopefully) be clean, clear, and well defined.

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@cdimauro

There is the same in Spanish which I speak (thanks to family) La voz del pueblo es la voz de Dios , so understand it totally.

I too hope they sort things out soon because we could all do with some clarity moving forward.

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Posted on 30-Mar-2019 21:34:20
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@cdimauro
sorry that you really wrote that much...

Did you read the CDU programme I've postet? IT IS EXCACTLY THE AFD PROGRAMME OF TODAY..
you could say the AFD did a copy cat job..

Whatever..
You are wrong about that Merkel was elected ... and you mix different happenings in different points of time.. That she will retire came way way way later ...

She wasn't elected..
The FDP didn't took the election results .. they stated that they can't work with CDU and SPD..and SPD told everyone that they never will do a big coalition with CDU again.. and what?
They did..

And now back to the topic..
BOTH: CDU AND SPD declared in their toilet paper called coalition contract that they will not support Article 13...
oh wait.. what ? ..

So I don't hate EUROPE. I hate those calling themselves EUROPE and what they have done with it.

And about Ukraine..
Oh do you know Klitschko ? the ukraine RTL Boxing Milchschnittenmaskottchen ?
An idea who supported him in the Ukraine ? Who supported parties in ukraine to come closer to europe.. ?
Germans ..

your energy put in your post and believing is very fanatic..
And as said I don't vote AFD.. I wan't to become AFD, take a Hammer and form it in a correct way. This is a difference.

And again! The CDU program i have posted is identical to the AFD program.. it is just 19 years older..
So it was definitely not the CDU which was pro immigrants in the past... at least until some people calculated that we need poor people to do shit jobs nobody wants to do.

Parties run after the votes.. they do analysis, forecast and than they write a program.. wow..
I would like to see someone trying to form the future instead of only reacting with a delay of 1 year.
Internet is new(for Merkel).. next AI came from nowhere.. At least Merkel can speak AI out..

We need people with a plan for the next years.. To much regulation prevents people from being creative. I have already 2 out of 4 weeks a month just paperwork... to much buraucracy and nothing else.. nothin. Where is the Anti-Bureaucracy law ?
Not a single thing they could be proud of..
You know.. everyone can decide when a problem occurs..it is than just a job. And people tend to be bad / lazy at the everday job.

So whatever.. AFD sucks.. I know, but we can change it. Correct some stuff and than it can shine..

EDIT:
When i say EUROPE sucks i mean the current form..
We just need a big free-trade area
Nothing more..
Whe don't need on big Army. We don't need a big european bank.. we need no banks..
We don't need the old farts building just another castle for their own.

Make it new and different. .open minded.. decentralise as much as possible. Call it Europe.
Or big fucking ESTONIA-WOOD ..

This guy founded AFD and has left it because of the right wing. He founded later alpha which was renamed to LKR.. shit name..else they could have better chances.
https://www.weltbild.de/artikel/buch/systemausfall_25976764-1

EUROPE isn't bad.. it is just ruled by idiots.. give them candy and replace them.

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Posted on 30-Mar-2019 22:23:53
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@phoenixkonsole

Look also the AFD personell. Somewhere beteen disgusting and incompetent often just both .

The AFD is a right wing party. I mean this is a free land and you are free to vote what you want, but my ancestors have experienced the 33-45 times on different levels - all of them concluded "never again!".
"Wehret den Anfängen" is an important phrase here and the AFD is exacly that: a beginning.

There are 41 parties listed in Germany for the EU election, I am sure you will find a better alternative than the AFD. AFD is for non thinking victims of populism or for yesterdays fascists. Do you want to belong to these groups...?

And to get not labeled as a populist, get a bit more precise on what is going wrong and - very important - how the alternatives are. Look for example the Euro. Definitely with some errors and shortcomings, but I defintely don't want back the DM - it was a great currency, but all in all the EURO is the better alternative. Abeit there is room for improvements.
Engage yourself in a party if you wnat to change soemthing. You wil sool learn that politics are often a difficult thing ...
The AFD guys (women are only few) are usually nay sayers only, I have never experienced a constructive behaviour of them.

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@phoenixkonsole Quote:
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@cdimauro
sorry that you really wrote that much...

No problem: it's weekend, and I've some time.
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Did you read the CDU programme I've postet? IT IS EXCACTLY THE AFD PROGRAMME OF TODAY..
you could say the AFD did a copy cat job..

I've already replied on that, and I don't understand why you continue on this point.

I repeat again: 1) WARNING is different; 2) Germany with Merkel acquired A LOT of immigrants.
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Whatever..
You are wrong about that Merkel was elected ... and you mix different happenings in different points of time.. That she will retire came way way way later ...

No, it came IMMEDIATELY after the last elections. Even foreign newspapers talked about it. Here are a couple of links from an Italian one:

https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/mondo/2018-10-28/germania-voto-assia-batosta-cdu-volano-verdi-180745.shtml
https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/mondo/2018-10-29/germania-merkel-lascia-guida-cdu-il-terremoto-elettorale-assia--111748.shtml

After JUST ONE day (from getting the elections results. Look at the dates, even reported in the links!) she said that'll leave the head of the party (AFTER the mandate which she received. And also this is clearly readable from the article).

And now it's proved that you do NOT follow at all politics, even on/for your country.
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She wasn't elected..
The FDP didn't took the election results .. they stated that they can't work with CDU and SPD..and SPD told everyone that they never will do a big coalition with CDU again.. and what?
They did..

Well, you SHOULD know that for governing a country a majority is needed. So, deputies are ELECTED and then if a majority expresses a name for prime minister/chancellor, then he/she will do the task (even if it's not elected). This is how democracy usually works in many countries, and this comes out from ELECTIONS.
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And now back to the topic..
BOTH: CDU AND SPD declared in their toilet paper called coalition contract that they will not support Article 13...
oh wait.. what ? ..

What do you mean with that? It's not clear.
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So I don't hate EUROPE. I hate those calling themselves EUROPE and what they have done with it.

Hating without putting (proved) reasons gives ZERO value.

As Zylesea has already said, you look like (for me you ARE) a populist.

Which actually means A LOT (unfortunately) of people which do NOT (actively) follow politics and how the country/state works, don't like somethings which happen, and then "enters" politics (sic!) yelling against enemies (!), lobbies (!!), whatever some politic parties spread around with their propaganda.

This worked very well in Italy with 5 five stars movement (M5S), where his "leader maximo", Beppe Grillo, even publicly prised that everyone can make politics, even the housewife which just spent the time watching soap-opera all days.

And that's what he did: he allowed totally incompetent peoples be elected, and now they are destroying the country after the last elections, with the other ultra-right party (the Lega). Since they are governing, Italy is INCREASING the public debt of around 6 BILLIONS euros per month on average. And you can image what can happen if we continue this away.

Anyway, and to be short: if you want to do politics, then you should ACTIVELY spend time following it, how the country/state works, etc. You CANNOT become a politic from night to day, and start yelling like a mad.
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And about Ukraine..
Oh do you know Klitschko ? the ukraine RTL Boxing Milchschnittenmaskottchen ?
An idea who supported him in the Ukraine ? Who supported parties in ukraine to come closer to europe.. ?
Germans ..

Links?
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We need people with a plan for the next years.. To much regulation prevents people from being creative. I have already 2 out of 4 weeks a month just paperwork... to much buraucracy and nothing else.. nothin. Where is the Anti-Bureaucracy law ?
Not a single thing they could be proud of..

Then why don't you go to Italy. And you will see how not only there's A LOT of bureaucracy, but the things do NOT work. Where's Germany will not be perfect, but most of the things work.

But know in Italy we the maximum populist which solve ALL problems with the magic wand...
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You know.. everyone can decide when a problem occurs..it is than just a job. And people tend to be bad / lazy at the everday job.

?!?
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When i say EUROPE sucks i mean the current form..
We just need a big free-trade area
Nothing more..
Whe don't need on big Army. We don't need a big european bank.. we need no banks..
We don't need the old farts building just another castle for their own.

Make it new and different. .open minded.. decentralise as much as possible. Call it Europe.
Or big fucking ESTONIA-WOOD ..

As I said before, your writings resembles the ones from the "good old uncle Adolf": very very close to his propaganda. And we know that happened.

In Italy we had the same with Mussolini.

I do NOT want the history repeats again.
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EUROPE isn't bad.. it is just ruled by idiots.. give them candy and replace them.

As Zylesea already said, you just talk without showing what are the real problems.

And I've cut all part regarding AFD, because he already did it.

As I said before, it's quite clear that you do NOT follow politics. That's why you report completely wrong things, which I think come from the propaganda of parties like AFD.

P.S. Sorry, no time to read again.

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@cdimauro
sorry.. as I said you are talking about something different..
I have meant the Bundestagswahlen where we elect the dominating party ... which happened in 2017.
You are talking about a party internal voting which only elects the leader of a soccer club.

Merkel should not be there.. because the people don''t wanted her.
2017.. not 2018..

So now go back.. read daily german news from 2000 and you have the same level of information and influence on your believing.. than it makes sense to talk about this topic.

Else you have your bubble of knowledge and I have mine..
Which lead to 2 pages of talk about a "topic" but we both still talk about different thinks.

Again.. voting where way way back and the result was ignored... People don't voted for Merkel..
Instead everyone whites for any of the other options leading to a point where no one was able to speak / work with the other fraction... FDP even declared that they don't want to join the same shit again of CDU / SPD lies..

The AFD is not the problem.. it is the symptom.
Problem are the failiures made (which can happen..) and more importantly the ignorance and denying of problems. Thats the problem..
They cause problems, they cause poverty and they don't plan.. they can only react like dog when you throw a ball.

Immigrant are no problem.. don't get me wrong. I am as I said result of immigrants..
This is not the topic. Topic is only whe need different people.

and AFD is like cancer because they didn't take care for the body.. or too late.
Good wake up kick in the balls.

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@phoenixkonsole

I understand your concept/approach of a protest election. But I don't think it's a good concept. It's more l f*cking for virginity.
The better alternative is to put your vote to a party that actually is doing the things in a way that actually coresponds to your ideas. And AFD probably isn't...
But there are plenty parties. What's your most important issues. Nail them down, read the programs of the parties and draw your conclusions. I have done so.
Or do the brilliant wahl-o-mat. Great tool to get an idea which party cuts it best for your agenda.
And remember: the EU election has no 5% hurdle.

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This just gets a little more ridiculous by the day... I don't think anyone can stop big tech from taking over, well, the world. Wouldn't this "internet safety regulator" just be in the back pocket of big tech? Really.... how you going to reel in the likes of CNN & the BBC?

UK to keep social networks in check with internet safety regulator

https://www.cnet.com/news/uk-to-keep-social-networks-in-check-with-internet-safety-regulator/

"The regulator will be tasked with ensuring social media companies are tackling a range of online problems, including:

Inciting violence and spreading violent content (including terrorist content)
Encouraging self-harm or suicide
The spread of disinformation and fake news
Cyber bullying
Children accessing inappropriate material
Child exploitation and abuse content

As well as applying to the major social networks, such as Facebook, YouTube and Twitter, the requirements will also have to be met by file-hosting sites, online forums, messaging services and search engines."

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-08/government-unveils-plans-for-tough-new-online-safety-laws/

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Re: The Final Version of the EU's Copyright Directive Is the Worst One Yet
Posted on 8-Apr-2019 5:58:53
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Actually USA are the primary responsible of the Ukraine crisis, with their continuously ongoing expansionism plan. This time they were too close to Russia, which reacted.


I don't believe what I'm reading... You're kind of justifying Russian armed aggression and partial occupation of a sovereign state just because they didn't like the way Ukrainian politics shifted? Have you ever been to Ukraine? I was and I'm not surprised that people there would like to belong to EU rather than RF. They have eyes, you know.

And what do you mean by "too close to Russia"? Sharing borders? You know, there are quite a few EU countries sharing borders with Russia. Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland... Should they be afraid? Can they make their own political decisions without asking Russia for their opinion on matter?

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Re: The Final Version of the EU's Copyright Directive Is the Worst One Yet
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Of course Russians are afraid, their sphere of influence shrank since the end of the Soviet Union. Their lost several thousands km of a buffer zone needed for their (possible) defense. Fear is one of the reasons behind current Russian aggression.

I may not like Putin´s regime, but it is fairly predictable in the area of foreign policy. When Russian-supported president of Ukraine was ousted in illegal coup, western nations raced without hesitation to recognize the new government. Sure, it sounds cynical, but no sane leader would risk loss of strategic base like Sevastopol.


Our only possible strategy right now is to look strong (via raised military expenditure) and support Ukraine in its way out of crippling corruption. And of course, refrain from unilateral acts of brute force that may be later used against us (Kosovo, Iraq). Speak softly and carry a big stick, you will go far, this should be our policy in the next years.

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Re: The Final Version of the EU's Copyright Directive Is the Worst One Yet
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here are the result sorted after countries:


Country Yes No 0 X Sum Yes%
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France 62 2 4 6 74 84%
Denmark 10 2 0 1 13 77%
Portugal 15 5 0 1 21 71%
Belgium 14 7 0 0 21 67%
Malta 4 2 0 0 6 67%
Lithuania 7 1 0 3 11 64%
Spain 34 12 1 7 54 63%
Latvia 5 3 0 0 8 63%
Finland 8 5 0 0 13 62%
Slovakia 8 4 1 0 13 62%
Croatia 6 3 1 1 11 55%
Italy 39 27 1 6 73 53%
Bulgaria 9 3 5 0 17 53%
Hungary 10 4 0 7 21 48%
UK 31 30 0 11 72 43%
Germany 38 49 3 6 96 40%
Slovenia 3 5 0 0 8 38%
Ireland 4 4 0 3 11 36%
Greece 7 2 1 11 21 33%
Romania 10 6 6 10 32 31%
Austria 5 8 3 2 18 28%
Netherlands 5 18 2 1 26 19%
Estonia 1 4 1 0 6 17%
Poland 8 33 2 8 51 16%
Sweden 3 15 0 2 20 15%
Czechia 2 13 5 1 21 10%
Cyprus 0 1 0 5 6 0%
Luxembourg 0 6 0 0 6 0%
-------------------------------------
Sum 348 274 36 92 750 46%


Damned this forum doesn't know the 'code' tag.

I don't know what the French think, the copyright laws will not save the French culture it will make it less visible.

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Edit: formatted and fixed table

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I don't know what the French think


Just another item to add to their list of grievances. Is it week 22 of the yellow vest protests now?

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Just another item to add to their list of grievances. Is it week 22 of the yellow vest protests now?


I don't know if the internet or copyright issues plays any role in France, I think they had enough other problems with the yellow vest protesters.

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The Web Remembers - Elections are Coming

Here is a list of the members of the EU parliament who voted for the copyright deform.
Don't vote for them, be careful with their parties:

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ALDE:
Ali, Arthuis, Bilbao Barandica, Calvet Chambon, Cavada, Cornillet, Deprez, Diaconu, Giménez Barbat, Grigule-Pēterse,
Harkin, Hyusmenova, Jäätteenmäki, Jakovčić, Katainen, Lalonde, Lřkkegaard, Marinho e Pinto, Mazuronis, Michel,
Mihaylova, Nart, Pagazaurtundúa Ruiz, Petersen, Punset, Ries, Riquet, Rochefort, Rohde, Tremosa i Balcells,
Uspaskich, Vajgl, Vautmans, Vehkaperä, Verhofstadt, Wierinck

ECR:
Bashir, Campbell Bannerman, Deva, Fitto, Foster, Fox, Henkel, Karim, Kölmel, Leontini, McClarkin, McIntyre,
Matthews, Maullu, Messerschmidt, Mobarik, Nicholson, Sernagiotto, Swinburne, Tannock, Van Orden, Vistisen, Zīle

EFDD:
Bergeron, Chauprade, D'Ornano, Goddyn, Monot, Paksas

ENF:
Arnautu, Bay, Bilde, Boutonnet, Briois, Colombier, Jalkh, Jamet, Lebreton, Lechevalier, Loiseau, Martin Dominique,
Mélin, Schaffhauser, Troszczynski

GUE/NGL:
Chrysogonos, Kyllönen, Le Hyaric, Maurel, Vieu

NI:
Epitideios, Fountoulis, Gollnisch, Karlsson, Montel, Synadinos, Ujazdowski

PPE:
Ademov, Alliot-Marie, Andrikienė, Ashworth, Ayuso, Becker, Belet, Bendtsen, Bocskor, Böge, Bogovič, Brok, Cadec, van
de Camp, Caspary, del Castillo Vera, Cesa, Cicu, Cirio, Coelho, Collin-Langen, Comi, Csáky, Danjean, Dantin, Dati,
Delahaye, Deli, Deß, Deutsch, Díaz de Mera García Consuegra, Didier, Dorfmann, Ehler, Erdős, Estarŕs Ferragut,
Faria, Ferber, Fernandes, Fisas Ayxelŕ, Florenz, Gahler, Gál, Gambús, Gardini, Gehrold, Gieseke, Girling, González
Pons, de Grandes Pascual, Gräßle, Grossetęte, Guoga, Hayes, Herranz García, Hohlmeier, Hölvényi, Hortefeux,
Hübner, Iturgaiz, Jahr, Jiménez-Becerril Barrio, Joulaud, Juvin, Kalniete, Karas, Kelam, Kelly, Koch, Kósa, Kozłowska-
Rajewicz, Kudrycka, Kuhn, Kukan, Lamassoure, de Lange, Langen, La Via, Lavrilleux, Lenaers, Liese, Lins, López-
Istúriz White, McAllister, McGuinness, Maletić, Malinov, Mandl, Mănescu, Mann, Martusciello, Matera, Mato, Melo,
Mikolášik, Millán Mon, Moisă, Monteiro de Aguiar, Morano, Morin-Chartier, Muselier, Mussolini, Nagy, Niebler, van
Nistelrooij, Peterle, Petir, Pieper, Pitera, Plura, Preda, Proust, Quisthoudt-Rowohl, Radev, Radtke, Rangel, Ribeiro,
Rolin, Ruas, Rübig, Šadurskis, Saďfi, Salafranca Sánchez-Neyra, Salini, Sander, Sarvamaa, Saudargas, Schmidt,
Schreijer-Pierik, Schulze, Schwab, Sógor, Šojdrová, Sommer, Spyraki, Štefanec, Šuica, Svoboda, Szájer, Tőkés,
Vaidere, Valcárcel Siso, Vandenkendelaere, Verheyen, Virkkunen, Voss, Weber Manfred, Wieland, Zammit Dimech,
Zdrojewski, Zeller, Zovko, Zwiefka

S&D:
Aguilera García, Anderson Lucy, Andrieu, Arena, Assis, Ayala Sender, Balas, Bayet, Berčs, Bettini, Blanco López,
Blinkevičiūtė, Bonafč, Borzan, Boştinaru, Brannen, Bresso, Cabezón Ruiz, Caputo, Chinnici, Christensen, Costa,
Cozzolino, Dalli, Dance, Danti, De Castro, De Monte, Drăghici, Fernández, Ferrandino, García Pérez, Gardiazabal
Rubial, Gasbarra, Gentile, Gill Neena, Giuffrida, Gloanec Maurin, Grammatikakis, Grapini, Griffin, Gualtieri, Guerrero
Salom, Guillaume, Guteland, Honeyball, Howarth, Jaakonsaari, Jáuregui Atondo, Kirton-Darling, Kofod,
Kouroumbashev, Kumpula-Natri, Kyenge, Kyrkos, López Aguilar, Ludvigsson, McAvan, Maňka, Manscour, Martin
David, Martin Edouard, Mizzi, Molnár, Moody, Moraes, Morgano, Panzeri, Paolucci, Peillon, Picierno, Pirinski, Popa,
Preuß, Revault d'Allonnes Bonnefoy, Rodrigues Liliana, Rodríguez-Pińero Fernández, Rozičre, Sant, dos Santos,
Sârbu, Sassoli, Schaldemose, Serrăo Santos, Silva Pereira, Simon Siôn, Smolková, Stanishev, Tarabella, Thomas,
Toia, Ulvskog, Van Brempt, Vaughan, Ward, Zala, Zanonato, Zoffoli, Zorrinho

Verts/ALE:
Bové, Heubuch, Staes, Trüpel

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Re: The Final Version of the EU's Copyright Directive Is the Worst One Yet
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Source: Julia Reda (Pirates / Piraten)

https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf

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