@ssolie

Hello ssolie,
I`ve just start reading David Pleasance`s book. Will you be releasing a similar type insider book once your "nda" runs out.
You know it will sell. :)

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@kas1e

Costel (one of the directors of Hyperion) posted on a german forum that too much was promised, including SMP-Support. It is a little strange that the former "speaker" of Hyperion still inisists on that nonsense. Still in his role as entertainer?

@OlafS25

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Costel (one of the directors of Hyperion) posted on a german forum that too much was promised, including SMP-Support. It is a little strange that the former "speaker" of Hyperion still inisists on that nonsense. Still in his role as entertainer?

Too much was promise for 4.2 was the point (and he was right they never should have promised such an ambitious feature set) not that these things would never be a thing.

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@broadblues

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Too much was promise for 4.2 was the point (and he was right they never should have promised such an ambitious feature set) not that these things would never be a thing.

This is why it will be many year before AmigaOS hits version 4.2

Other than that who cares? Steve Solie was trying to drum up excitement and he over promised. I can understand that. At least he kept peoples' interest. Hyperion are a very dull legal company with no friendly public face to show their customers. Even Ben Hermans who purports to like the Amiga and seems to have (in the past) showed a reasonable amount of enthusiasm for the platform, at the VCF in Bletchley Park in 2010 simply stood with his arms folded for most of the time (as did the head Varysis guy by the way so he's not the only 'suit' in Amiga land).

However, the point is without people like Trevor and Steve Solie there would be ZERO point of going to these Amiga launches / shows. It is the personalities that matter and if the Tabor gets a decent feature set and AmigaOS port at the time of launch then frankly at this point in the madness that is the Amiga's history, that would be a bonus!

... but what do we actually remember from the shows / forums / KickStarter Projects etc?

Trevor's socks?

Steve Solie's over the top laugh?

The catchphrase: "What happens at Amiga shows stays at Amiga shows!"

Stephen Jones' dance after his KickStarter was successful for the 2018 version Checkmate A1500 Plus case?

Summary: It's Amiga personalities that keep us here!

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@sundown

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As well as all the beta testers, but we signed up more to help Trevor get his new systems going, me for the X1000. Steven is still coding for the newer systems & plans to keep doing so.

Understood. But if someone doesn't want to sign an NDA, then don't sign it. I'm not sure why there needs to be a "law" to stop NDAs. Government already has too much control over our lives.

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@kolla

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So you would prefer that authorities make it illegal for corporations to trick dumbasses into signing silly NDAs? You really find this necessary? Why can't you and others simply have enough spine and guts to not sign nonsensical NDAs??

Some people feel the need to have laws to protect them from their own free actions.

@cgutjahr

Sounds like your describing someone paying protection money and shooting the messenger.

@lylehaze 

Damn it I can't press it either.

But at least I figured one thing out, the logical answer is (2b), that I know.

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@ssolie

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Multicore support is still a priority. 64-bit support depends on what you mean exactly. We already support large files and hard drives for example. The ExtMem feature allows access to RAM outside the 32-bit address space.

I think this can be answered easily in a logical fashion. So for 64-bit, it's not just 64-bit disk support, or being able to perform 64-bit math and operations on data. Like OS3 had 32-bit optimsed routines and could also take advantage of 64-bit math instructions; so it is with OS4 that can use the FPU for 64-bit data transfer or vectors for 128-bit operations.

But, taking it to a logical conclusion, what would be 64-bit here would obviously be a 64-bit version of AmigaOS; with all pointers being 64-bit, with 64-bit address space or rather here the max range the hardware supports and max integer size being 64-bit.

Of course AmigaOS would need an overhaul for that to happen. But it's been due for a long time. And I start to think if it should have been what OS4 is in the first place. Compatibility, which is only for OS friendly applications and games, I see as no big deal since it was all emulated anyway. API wrappers can be written to cleanly seperate a superfical AmigaOS from a real modern AmigaOS.

The way it is now we would need a 68K emulation later as well as a classic OS4 PPC emulation layer. So be it. Also finding a standard language to replace the original C would be good if the OOP trend is to continue. Hacking OOP into C may have been acceptable over 20 years ago but would be a bit unacceptable today. The API needs a clean up.

@All

Regarding an NDA I signed one as well. Just paperwork really. You'd have to be a pretty stupid spy to sign one in order to gain trade secrets and abusively spread them. That sort of person would deserve the wrath of a contract and a large fine.

In any case I don't see a big deal. It has enabled me to contribute to AmigaOS, in my own way, which otherwise would not happen. And after all, when people get married don't they sign a PNA? Soundslike an NDA.

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@Hypex

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Regarding an NDA I signed one as well. Just paperwork really. You'd have to be a pretty stupid spy to sign one in order to gain trade secrets and abusively spread them. That sort of person would deserve the wrath of a contract and a large fine.

I agree, no big deal. Until you lose your position of importance in the "club" and start making excuses for your prior actions. And cry for the government to make NDAs illegal just because you signed one and apparently have regrets about it.

If I was doing free work for a company and they asked me to sign an NDA I'd tell them to shove it. I mean, what are they going to do? Take someone else's free time instead? Go ahead! LOL

If I wanted to be part of the "club" perhaps I'd sign it, but you wouldn't hear me complaining about it later. Because I'd know what I signed.

NDAs in this situation are stupid anyway. There is no significant money in this market. It's more about control than anything else.

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@ssolie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE

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@mbrantley

Yeh, when Steven was in charge... seemed we had all sorts of updates happening. Was great no matter even if small updates or bug fixes.

Now for years things changed and we don't get any updates.

Sad state in my opinion...

To outsiders, it all seems like a dead platform with zilch going on, even if there is.

Why not get those updates in customers hands! Keep us occupied and enjoying the platform.

As of late I am finding less and less to enjoy about Amiga NG myself other than outside developers making some neat apps and such.

In terms of the OS, seems dead. Sad.

TJ

@amigasociety

OS dead? Sadly based on Hyperion’s public official performance you are patently 100% correct. Privately, I am not so certain. A number of very productive and reliable AmigaOS developers assure me that work continues apace... Unfortunately for the end user the visibility of this work sums out to zero.

The number of excellent devs still working tirelessly on the OS and subsystems amazes me. As an end user the steady stream of their outputs keeps me engaged and entertained. For this I am extremely grateful! Thanks all :)

@deadduckni

Indeed.

Just seems to make 100% sense for them to release some of the updates so end users can enjoy.

I mean.... WHY NOT?

What do they LOSE?

It would make all our lives that much better computing wise.

Makes ZERO sense to me holding it back for years and years, which has been the case since the last public updates.

My X5K still has the same exact OS as 2+ years ago when I purchased it with no updates since.

TJ

@amigasociety

Same here with the X1K. However the ESP from A-AEon has been a superb alternative. Have you used it?

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My X5K still has the same exact OS as 2+ years ago when I purchased it with no updates since.

@amigasociety

I have to respectfully disagree and the rest of the AmigaDeveloper Team would too

We have released three major upgrades to the Enhancer Software over the last two years for benefit of all X5000 users. The Enhancer Software significantly updates the entire system: MultiViewer, MultiEdit, X-Dock 2, Updater tool, Sound DT Classes and many new libraries and classes. Just view here for the many updates that have been released in last two years: https://www.amisphere.com/updater

It hs been a lot of hard work and I hope you have it installed and not using the basic OS from 5 years ago.

Warp3D Nova, OpenGL ES 2.0, RadeonHD and RadeonRX are large bodies of work and trailblazing for this platform. We are ensuring software support continues and our customers are not forgotten.

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I think TJ is referring to official Hyperion releases...

Hyperion have been carried by third party developers for years. Something significantly disruptive needs to happen. Soon.