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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 11-Jul-2019 18:37:04
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Well here is my take on it, under buy back agreement, hyperion signed agreement that allowed hyperion to obtain the source code and object code to develop AmigaOS, the buyback agreement.

Now people say Amiga Inc never owned the source code, this means that they not only scammed Hyperion, but they scammed Haage and Partner.

So actually OS3.5 and OS3.9 also be illegal, but as no one sued Amiga Inc in 1998/1999 or during and no one ever complained about it when Hyperion was contracted to develop AmigaOS4.0.

And no one complained about when ownership was transferred from Gateway 2000 to Amiga Inc.

Cloanto never owned the source code, because if they did, they should have sued Amiga Inc, they never did. Claonto did have non exclusive licence to distribute Workbench disk with there emulation package.

And Hagge and Partner and Hyperion has acted in good faith. if however its proven they where scammed they should sue Amiga Inc and partners for damages. They should also sue Clanto for damages for not coming forward sooner. just imaging wasting 19 years before being told.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 11-Jul-2019 19:33:42
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I think you meant shareholders, as the following clearly illustrates:

Source

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 11-Jul-2019 20:16:38
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@NutsAboutAmiga

First of all, it's Haage and not "Hagge"... and secondly, no, that's not really what "people are saying", allthough there are always "some people" who say anything.

And thirdly... I never saw Hyperion acting in good faith, it's always been the same with them, even before OS4 there was "turbulence" over porting of games.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 11-Jul-2019 22:44:44
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@thread

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They pointed me to some friendly litigators over in Seattle who are experts at tracking down former execs and officers of companies and dragging them in to court (in whatever state they are hiding).


Does this qualify as an intimidating threat?



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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 11-Jul-2019 23:42:20
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Perhaps?

For sure that e-mail (from the firm Monard Law, written by this lawyer) is a testimony of a certain ethical standard and a portrait of character.

Threats are mentioned in court documents. Jury trial.


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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
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@TRIPOS

Section E page 10 in fact

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 12-Jul-2019 8:16:23
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Sorry if I missed some parts of this thread or referenced documentation, but if it is claimed A Inc doesn't own AOS source, who does then?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
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@TRIPOS

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For sure that e-mail [...] is a testimony of a certain ethical standard and a portrait of character.

I think "Otherwise the gloves come off" is a hot candidate for another legendary Amiga phrase (on top of "Two more weeks" and "On schedule and rockin'")

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 12-Jul-2019 14:47:24
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@thread

The "you own this stuff, but give it to me or" part of this is amusing, but it's the rest of the document that interests me. First thing is the date of these emails February, 2017.

Bill says he'll send Ben's mail to the shareholders because:
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I have no legal capabilities of signing any rights to anyone.


Ben says:
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I know that Reed Smith is no longer handling this


then Bill says:
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Reed Smith is not representing Amiga, but they do represent the estate of the largest shareholder the estate of Pentti Kouri.


So, I go back and read my older thread to remind myself this was all known years before:
The Closing of Pentti Kouri's Estate

I'm confused because it's been public knowledge for years before this email exchange that this was all about Pentti Kouri's estate and the Reed Smith lawyers who were handling it, after John Grzymala lost that job due to the passing of Pentti Kouri.

Perhaps this was just all about confirming that, but it sure seemed like a weird exchange to me in these mails.

Perhaps this exchange between Olaf Barhel and myself is even more relevant today than it was in May, 2017:
Source

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 12-Jul-2019 15:46:41
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if it is claimed A Inc doesn't own AOS source, who does then?


That depends on what version of what component of AmigaOS you are talking about, the list of claimed "pwners" is long.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
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Which means that hiring "friendly litigators" to track down former execs or officers of a company would be a colossal waste of time and money, since it appears that such former execs or officers do not have binding authority.



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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
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@spud101

Evidently no one actually does.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
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Probably common knowledge to many but how did Dr. Pentti Kouri get introduced to Amiga as an investment?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 13-Jul-2019 3:12:10
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@A1200

Amiga (Delaware) CFO = John Grzymala

Pentti Kouri and John also known for startup Hakia

John = Kouri Family Trust

More detail

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 13-Jul-2019 6:15:47
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Thank you for trying to consolidate all the Amiga licenses, copyrights and what not which comes with it.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
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Quote:

Amigo1 wrote:
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Thank you for trying to consolidate all the Amiga licenses, copyrights and what not which comes with it.


Not sure if ironic or just insane...

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@A1200

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Probably common knowledge to many but how did Dr. Pentti Kouri get introduced to Amiga as an investment?


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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 13-Jul-2019 18:16:40
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@ne_one

Or...

Quote:
"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."


author - Pentti Kouri

Janne about his dad
ok, it's a line from Hemingway, but still...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 13-Jul-2019 18:44:06
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@number6

Quote:
"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."

The best way to see who owns the AmigaOS source code it to put it on Github and see who sues.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment - Reorg/Restructure
Posted on 13-Jul-2019 18:57:56
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@bison

not news to you (2015), but perhaps to newcomers...

Amiga OS 3.1 Source code leaked yesterday

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