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AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
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Information on hotel reservations and rates:

http://www.amiwest.net/amiwest2019blog/

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Re: AmiWest 2019 - October 23-27, 2019
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From the Amiwest page:
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We just spoke with Exec SG Team Lead Steven Solie yesterday


So is "Exec SG" a new mysterious company, or still just a component with unknown owner?

I asked before why this Exec SG is so important, to me it is just a component. BTW, AROS has an Exec too and it is portable and open source...

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So is "Exec SG" a new mysterious company, or still just a component with unknown owner

I think "Exec SG Team" is just a convenience term to refer to the people who are currently working on Exec SG. That Steven Solie is now in charge of the OS core development sounds like good news to me.

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@Trixie

that comment was from "2. March", a lot has happened after that.

"Steven Solie" is no longer the Team leader, he admitted himself, that he had not actively developing for AmigaOS4, and after the stunt picture with Clanto, he was sacked.

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@hth313

"Exec SG" is recreation of Exec.library, it also holds "Petunia JIT" binary transpiler (Álmos Rajnai). "Exec SG" what allocates resources, manage virtual memory and what enables memory objects, that can be allocated above 2Gb memory limit, that few programs use. This also what enable clean API called interfaces in AmigaOS4.1 library model. Also expansion is part of this library for PCI / PCIe, plus key debugging features that AmigaOS4.x has integrated into it.

It's a large part of what you do not see that actually makes AmigaOS4.1 work the way it works. I belive it's "Hans-Jörg Frieden" creation, but it can be cooperative work between
Hans-Jörg Frieden and Thomas Frieden. don't be surprised if credited the wrong brother, I'm outsider just like you are.

But sure correct information can collected hyperions not so organized news feed.

Replacing it be like transplanting a brain.

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@Trixie

that comment was from "2. March", a lot has happened after that.

"Steven Solie" is no longer the Team leader, he admitted himself, that he had not actively developing for AmigaOS4, and after the stunt picture with Clanto, he was sacked.


The title used back in the days was more like "OS4 Team Lead". It's interesting that they use the term "Exec SG Team Lead" two weeks before him allegedly being "fired" from OS4 development. It's interesting because Exec SG has allegedly changed owner. Ssolie being fired as "OS4 Team Lead" does not necessarily mean he couldn't show up as "Exec SG Team Lead" on behalf of a potential new owner.

In his Linkedin-page, ssolie has indeed stated "AmigaOS Development Team Lead" between Oct 2011–Mar 2019, when this role obviously ended. But please note that he also mentions a new and current role: "Team Lead, AmigaOS ExecSG Development", from Jan 2019–Now (no corporation mentioned). So that is obviously two different roles! One (with Hyperion) that has ended in March 2019. And one new since January 2019 that is still ongoing!

So he may indeed show up at AmiWest as "Exec SG Team Lead"...

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The title used back in the days was more like "OS4 Team Lead". It's interesting that they use the term "Exec SG Team Lead" two weeks before him allegedly being "fired" from OS4 development. It's interesting because Exec SG has allegedly changed owner. Ssolie being fired as "OS4 Team Lead" does not necessarily mean he couldn't show up as "Exec SG Team Lead" on behalf of a potential new owner.

In his Linkedin-page, ssolie has indeed stated "AmigaOS Development Team Lead" between Oct 2011–Mar 2019, where this role obviously ended. But please note that he also mentions a new and current role: "Team Lead, AmigaOS ExecSG Development", from Jan 2019–Now (no corporation mentioned). So that is obviously two different roles. One (with Hyperion) that has ended in March 2019. And one new since January 2019 that is still ongoing.

So he may indeed show up at AmiWest as "Exec SG Team Lead"...



There has been quite some speculation about who owns Exec SG now. While Trevor has said: "A-EON Technology Ltd does not own ExecSG", many people seem to think that it's either him personally (or Matt Leman personally?) or one of the other three involved "AeonKit"-companies, there are (at least) four of them:

• AmigaKit LTD
• Amiga Technology LTD (Why does this company even exist? Hmm...)
• A-Eon Technology LTD (debunked as potential ExecSG-owner by Trevor)
• Leman Computing Limited

There are some things speaking in favor of "AeonKit" taking over Exec SG; they have money (through Trevor), they have funded purchasing and development of core components before (like Graphics subsystem and drivers) to Hyperion officials' open annoyance, "AeonKit" have openly expressed dissatisfaction about Hyperion's abilities to add support for new HW in a reasonable time-frame and would probably very much like to be in greater control over its developments for this reason alone, and Steven Solie (the "ExecSG Team Lead" ) still lists a current role as "Beta Tester" at A-Eon Technology from Sep 2010–Now in his Linkedin-page, along with the no-company-disclosed "Exec SG Team Lead", so he has an A-Eon connection.


(Trevor, Steven Solie and the Tabor board. January 26, 2019.
Ssolie became "Team Lead, AmigaOS ExecSG Development"
that month, maybe even that very day?)


Another potential new ExecSG-owner would be Battilana, through one of his companies. His financial muscles has been put in thorough display; he for sure funded the revival of Amiga Inc (half a million dollars there alone, just to cover its tax debts), he funded an "awakening" of Bill McEwen (to make it worthwhile for him to engage once again in a past history he for sure wants to forget about), he funded the purchase of all the Commodore/Amiga assets from Amiga Inc, he funded the "awakening" of the related "Amiga Parties" needed to engage Hyperion in lawsuits, and for sure it is him financing the ongoing legal processes as well. And may I remind you that Cloanto made their own 3.9 (“Workbench 3.X”) without Haage&Partner by turning to developers directly? So it is a modus operandi we have seen from Battilana before!

It could also be that all the above parties are doing this together? Battilana has the trademarks and all the other IP (like copyrights) from the Commodore/Amiga era, most certainly also the "Amiga.com" domain, and this is what he has been seemingly most interested in; everything pre-"NG". AeonKit on the other hand has been investing heavily into the "NG" part, both HW wise and SW wise. So maybe they are in it together somehow?


(Trevors comment to this picture: "4 musketeers or gang of 4? ")

Another potential sign of ExecSG, and potentially even more OS4 components, has been bought from previously unpaid OS4 developers during this past winter/spring, could be that it suddenly became very urgent for two other parties to purchase OS4 components out of the blue. I'm talking about P96 and Reaction. Those components does not come from Commodore/Amiga and they are key components of OS4 as we know it.

They could of course be replaced with CGX and MUI (if the amount of the check is right?) in an upcoming "OS 4.2" or whatever, rendering P96/Reaction obsolete in one blow, which would have many other benefits as well, both to OS4 and to the Amiga community at large...

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@TRIPOS

Thank you for the recap.

Mike has an email address at amiga.com (as mentioned in the recent interview video) so I would assume he has control over that domain, and it would make perfect sense as he owns the trademark and OS source code (as claimed in the court papers).

I have not thought about the angle of sudden acquisitions of various components we have seen going on recently, but that probably is no surprise as you mention. Also do not forget that even if MUI and P96 are controlled elsewhere, many components exist in open source (AROS), here Zune as well as its P96. Should certain ownership block progress, there is a workaround, simply invest in certain open source components and bring them up (if even needed) instead. The Amiga OS is built on components and there is definitely opportunity to pick things from different places and put things together. It would also mean more cooperation within the community, something that I think many would see as a healthy thing.

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@TRIPOS
Why do things have to be so shady?
Something isn't above board.

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Replacing it be like transplanting a brain.


Nevertheless, that is what Hyperion asked Thomas Richter to do.

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Nevertheless, that is what Hyperion asked Thomas Richter to do.

Wait -- what?! Hyperion asked Thomas Richter to create a replacement for ExecSG?! Surely I've misunderstood you here....

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No. You have not misundestood me at all.

Source

Thomas posts more on German language sites, so it was probably overlooked by many.

Ask cgutjahr for the link, if it hasn't been deleted that is...

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@thread

If Hyperion want to redeem themselves, especially Ben - They should ALWAYS attend Amiwest in person. Take responsibility and push the core API & DESIGN forward with enhanced features and vision.

Make new games.

Hire specialists for DATA ABSTRACTION.

I always get realistic answers from the Frieden brothers, always seems progress is being made after a chat with them.

Amiga needs an 3rd party AmigaOS source code update system like on Linux.

So we can just do in CLI :

ami-get [program name] install/update

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You mean Timothy.

Ben is a shareholder of Hyperion, but does not speak publically for them.

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Wait -- what?! Hyperion asked Thomas Richter to create a replacement for ExecSG?!

Link (probably not accessible to you): https://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?threads/69841/page-31#post-1272221
Screenshot: https://gutjahr.hallenradsport-forum.de/files/thor.png

Translation:

"[...] ExecNG belongs to A-EON, because they bought it - the rest [of OS4] doesn't. In fact, Hyperion contacted me and asked if I would be interested in creating a replacement. No I wasn't - not my cup of tea."

Quote:

Surely I've misunderstood you here....

Yeah, because every time you thought "wait, they can't be THAT stupid!" in the last 15 years, it turned out to be just a misunderstanding, right?

(Edit: typo)

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@cgutjahr

Also interesting to note that Thomas:
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ExecNG belongs to A-EON, because they bought it


And Trevor:
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A correction to all the scuttlebut 'news' that is circulating around ExecSG. A-EON Technology Ltd does not own ExecSG. Period!


Source

...posts made the exact same day, as if Trevor is really correcting Thomas moreso than posters in the thread above.

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Nevertheless, that is what Hyperion asked Thomas Richter to do.


Another case of Clueless management

Anyway if there was a level 0 hypervisor under it all, you have two different versions of exec running side by side. it might be useful have hypervisor to migrate 32bit code to 64bit or to introduce kernel space, or resource tracking, things that will normally break userland in AmigaOS.

Client OS's just ask host OS (nano kernel) to map hardware to it, providing a transparent layer. hypervisor / nano kennels job is to manage resources on behalf the client operating systems, and provide IPC communication like pipes or other communications channels. (rabbit holes)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAAJXrcFTmU

Listen to audio from 32:16

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I don't think it's about clueless management. I think it's about attempting to retain some degree of control, ergo they felt they needed their "own" execsg.

After all, losing things does not look good when you are trying to convince people like the National Bank of Belgium that you still have assets that might prove you are a viable business.

Anyway, Thomas should avoid politics imo. Developers should be allowed to develop without having to make such statements, moreso when those statements are not correct..

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The audio is much better on the following version:

at about 1:58 (hour and 58 minutes)

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