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Kremlar 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 26-Sep-2019 19:03:14
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@monstercoder

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The Vampyre and the Tabor is not even targetet at the same audience so theres no need to compare them.


Of course they are. The Tabor is targeted at users who have not jumped into an AmigaOS 4.x system yet, specifically those who can't justify the cost of an X1000 or X5000. Despite what some would have you believe, the vast majority of sales come from an existing base of current and past Amiga users.

The Vampire, standalone especially, appeals to those same users.

I wouldn't mind buying an inexpensive AmigaOS 4.x system, but the Vampire standalone is more interesting to me. I doubt I'd buy both. If the Tabor was released when originally expected I might have bought that.

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outlawal2 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 26-Sep-2019 20:08:03
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@Trixie

Thanks! Everything I have read has been the sound driver but all I know is hearsay anyway so thank you.

@Kronos
I wasn't aware that there was a more specific architectural reason for the lack of PCIe slots so thank you for that. As is always the case things are never as simple as you first think they are...

Thanks guys

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bison 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 27-Sep-2019 17:00:43
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They're too invested in it now to start over (there are units sitting at AmigaKit as far as I know) but will it sell in any numbers when the 68k resurgence seems far more exciting right now!

Yes, they are, unfortunately. I just hope they don't get to the point where it is decided that the whole thing is not going to work. An audio driver is essential, but I could live with bad FPU performance, since it would not be my primary system.

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Everblue 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 27-Sep-2019 17:04:15
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By the time Tabor boards are out for sale, it will need a recap!

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Re: Tabor/X5000
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@Everblue

1st unit will be flown into Germany via Berlin airport

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spudmiga 
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Posted on 28-Sep-2019 20:12:41
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@outlawal2

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REALLY wish someone with lots of cash would buyout all of them and put together a cohesive company made up of competent individuals and provide a decent roadmap moving forward.


Amen to that.
One licensed product range catering for the basic user to the power user all running OS4.x working hand in hand together. Simple.


I guess I am what you would consider the target demographic for a Tabor.
I have always wanted to get into the new Amigas, but cannot justify 2000 for an X5000. I have hunted high and low and it seems the X5000 is the only Amiga system currently available. Could not find any other new Amiga models for sale anywhere so there really is a gap for something more affordable albeit lower spec.
I don't care too much if it isn't state of the art technology. Lower-end Amigas never were anyway and it will blow my trusty A1200 out of the water for sure with its 21MHz processing power! But... that will have to suit a little longer until something more affordable comes along.

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BigD 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 28-Sep-2019 20:51:11
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@spudmiga

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I don't care too much if it isn't state of the art technology. Lower-end Amigas never were anyway...


The A500 definitely WAS state of the art in 1987. It was cheap and an improvement on the A1000 in terms of expandability and reliability and was ready for world domination. C= dropped the ball on marketing and dealer relationships and fired Thomas Rattigan and the rest is history.

It's nothing like the farce that has been the Tabor though. At least the A600 was released on some sort of weird schefule that C= intended even if EVERYONE else in the world was happy with the A500+!

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Kronos 
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BigD wrote:


The A500 definitely WAS state of the art in 1987.!


It was "state of the art" for a 1987 homecomputer.


Otherwise it was the cost reduced version of an somewhat failed 1985 "pro" computer with outstanding HW based on a never released ca. 1984 killer game console.

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BigD 
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Posted on 28-Sep-2019 22:38:32
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@Kronos

... And that made the A500 state of the art for its intended market at a killer price point!

Tabor didn't need to be state of the art but it did need to beat the Vampire standalone to market IMHO and it easily could have.

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OneTimer1 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 29-Sep-2019 0:12:47
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BigD wrote:

Tabor didn't need to be state of the art but it did need to beat the Vampire standalone to market IMHO and it easily could have.


There is something at AEon that I can't understand.

AEon is building the hardware especially for AOS4 and usually they build something on to their boards, that is not supported by AOS4. They chose wrong Ethernet chips, wrong CPU (and even strange things like Xorro) If they would really concentrate on hardware supported by AOS4, they should be earlier in production and save some money.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
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Posted on 29-Sep-2019 16:58:50
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@OneTimer1

Because they use embedded chips, some of the chips have integrated Ethernet or sound. Nice in theory but not practical for AmigaOS4.x

Its more like AEON ask Varisys what they can build, they come up with ideas I think

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fishy_fis 
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Posted on 30-Sep-2019 11:42:16
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On one hand I find the whole "What do you want USB3 for?" annoying. It's 2019 and why wouldn't I want to have the latest technology? But, Like I said it isn't a deal breaker and will not stop me from buying one. All the other information is great. Exactly what I needed. It does seem a Tabor will do me good. Put that in one of the new Checkmate 1500 cases, and I'm in heaven. Provided Tabor is released before Christmas. I've been waiting for it for years. Thanks.


Im with you on USB3.
USB 2.x is painfully slow. Why would anyone want to have tolerate just an archaic standard?

Not just that, but its more than reasonable to want to use a standard that is over 10 years old.

USB3 was introduced in 2008. It's insane that we dont have support for it.
Just because Amiga, be it 68k or ppc is retro doesnt mean we should have to put up with such slow usb.

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Trixie 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 30-Sep-2019 12:21:15
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@fishy_fis

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USB3 was introduced in 2008. It's insane that we dont have support for it. Just because Amiga, be it 68k or ppc is retro doesnt mean we should have to put up with such slow usb.

I cannot agree more. But it's the same old story: we lack people capable of writing the drivers.

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bennymee 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 30-Sep-2019 12:37:21
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@Trixie

Maybe a bounty or a fixed amount of money could make a driver for USB3 possible ?

There are some skilled Amiga programmers who wrote stuff for the Amigakit Enhancer package.

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OlafS25 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 30-Sep-2019 12:57:17
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@bennymee

from my experience first find a developer willing to do it, then you can ask what money he want to have then create the bounty

Normally when you create a bounty and ask for money that money collects dust because noone takes the bounty. Finally the bounty will never be high enough to motivate people for financial reasons, you need someone with idealism

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Trixie 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 30-Sep-2019 13:46:11
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@bennymee

I think the problem is capable/interested workforce, rather than money.

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BigD 
Re: Tabor/X5000
Posted on 1-Oct-2019 8:55:38
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@Thread

So ANY news on the belated Tabor release? Has ANYONE read the Future Amiga article? Does anyone even care about timelines for AmigaOne: the machine denied its own trademark?

Or is it all:

When it's done! When it's done! When it's done!

????? Sales, marketing, cryptic A-EON click bait launch website? Anything?

Personally I'll now be spending my money patching up my Amiga Classic machines. While I respect and love Trevor I can only deduce that he's in big trouble with the Tabor and wouldn't take our pre-order money right now even if the court case depended on it because everything is hung in the balance. I think the Vampire Standalone has robbed the Tabor of much needed linelight but it wasn't ready for launch anyway so it's a mute point!

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BigD 
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Posted on 1-Oct-2019 9:08:24
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@Thread

... maybe Trevor's got a David Pleasance inspired bundle pack in the pipeline to launch the Tabor with Tower57 box art and bundled OS4.2 with SMT, Hollywood, Octamed PPC, Aladdin 4D PPC, Enhancer and Wings in the box.

Wouldn't that be amazing? And at a price only $100 more than the Vampire V4? Possible? We can but dream.

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Trixie 
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Posted on 1-Oct-2019 9:13:55
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@BigD

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maybe Trevor's got a David Pleasance inspired bundle pack in the pipeline to launch the Tabor with Tower57 box art and bundled OS4.2 with SMT, Hollywood, Octamed PPC, Aladdin 4D PPC, Enhancer and Wings in the box.

Of course such a bundle is in the pipeline! In fact, I ported Octamed to PPC just yesterday, and my neighbour's dog is working hard to bring you Aladdin 3D. Just stay tuned and never wake up from dreams!

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fishy_fis 
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Posted on 1-Oct-2019 10:23:51
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Unfortunately for Trevor Tabor's window has past.
It was pretty dismal to begin with 3 or 4 years ago and has just become more of a joke since.

Nothing but a waste of time and money.
Was a hard sell to begin with. Very few are even interested anymore.

Given what he's demonstrated over the last few years it appears he lucked onto his fortune. Has demonstrated himself pretty incompetent time and time again.

Good match for the Amiga I guess :P

edit: guy himself seems ok. He just seems a bit clueless when it comes to business, and especially when it comes to hardware. I don't think it'd be possible to have made poorer decisions and choices.

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